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    What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    I've been asking this question directly to many of the gun control fans here lately, and they all seem to be dodging the question.

    I'm not interested in the debate about what "assault weapon" or any similar phrase supposedly mean historically or otherwise. I'm talking about the term as defined in the legislation that has been proposed by Democrats in Congress.

    What makes a weapon that fits this definition more deadly than many other weapons that don't? And to save me trouble of asking later, let's see the evidence for your claim.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I've been asking this question directly to many of the gun control fans here lately, and they all seem to be dodging the question.

    I'm not interested in the debate about what "assault weapon" or any similar phrase supposedly mean historically or otherwise. I'm talking about the term as defined in the legislation that has been proposed by Democrats in Congress.

    What makes a weapon that fits this definition more deadly than many other weapons that don't? And to save me trouble of asking later, let's see the evidence for your claim.
    In reality that is the crux of the problem. The automatic weapon ban was easy because, well , any weapon that is automatic is banned. No, I don’t agree with weapons ban, but at least the was “mostly” enforceable. I say mostly because of bump stocks was the loop hole as well as modifying parts.

    The “idea” behind the assault weapons ban is to ban a weapon with “war-like” features which was IMO stupid. Because in war, any weapon you find is going to be used. I get the “idea” behind the ban (I.e. feel good to ban war-like things) but I don’t agree with it because as we saw with various accessories many weapons can be “war-like”. Unlike the automatic weapons ban this ban was left to much to idiotic Interpretation.
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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    In reality that is the crux of the problem. The automatic weapon ban was easy because, well , any weapon that is automatic is banned. No, I don’t agree with weapons ban, but at least the was “mostly” enforceable. I say mostly because of bump stocks was the loop hole as well as modifying parts.

    The “idea” behind the assault weapons ban is to ban a weapon with “war-like” features which was IMO stupid. Because in war, any weapon you find is going to be used. I get the “idea” behind the ban (I.e. feel good to ban war-like things) but I don’t agree with it because as we saw with various accessories many weapons can be “war-like”. Unlike the automatic weapons ban this ban was left to much to idiotic Interpretation.
    I know they made some after market modification illegal, and some states expanded on that same list. But it still came down to mostly proper enforcement at that point.
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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Heller holds that firearms that are in common use and not UNUSUALLY dangerous are under the second amendment negative restriction on government action. Those who supported the idiotic clinton assault weapon ban have to explain the following

    1) an AR 15 with a muzzle brake and fixed stock was legal but an AR 15 with any of these two features was banned


    a) a flash hider
    b) a bayonet lug
    c) an adjustable stock
    d) a pistol grip
    e) a threaded barrel
    f) a barrel shroud

    can anyone claim that any of these items make an AR 15 UNUSUALLY dangerous?

    of course not, nor can they claim that at 11 rounds, such a weapon becomes "Unusually dangerous"

    the dishonesty of the anti gun movement is unmatched in American politics
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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    In reality that is the crux of the problem. The automatic weapon ban was easy because, well , any weapon that is automatic is banned. No, I don’t agree with weapons ban, but at least the was “mostly” enforceable. I say mostly because of bump stocks was the loop hole as well as modifying parts.

    The “idea” behind the assault weapons ban is to ban a weapon with “war-like” features which was IMO stupid. Because in war, any weapon you find is going to be used. I get the “idea” behind the ban (I.e. feel good to ban war-like things) but I don’t agree with it because as we saw with various accessories many weapons can be “war-like”. Unlike the automatic weapons ban this ban was left to much to idiotic Interpretation.
    Lets see

    war like things

    Military uniform items-in college, the best and cheapest jacket for the sort of cold, often wet, environment in CT, was a surplus M65 field jacket. Surplus army boots were pretty good for lots environments too

    I have a USMC fighting and utility knife> I have a p-38 military can opener. I have a spool of military issue surplus parachute cord. I have several army manuals on everything from hand to hand combat to battlefield first aid and weapons maintenance.

    why should such things be banned?
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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

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    why should such things be banned?
    I don’t think they or weapons should be.
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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    I know they made some after market modification illegal, and some states expanded on that same list. But it still came down to mostly proper enforcement at that point.
    Is proper enforcement allowing LEOs to have/use them? If so, then who are LEOs at war with?
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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is proper enforcement allowing LEOs to have/use them? If so, then who are LEOs at war with?
    Last I checked, law enforcement and swat forces used legal firearms.

    I don't think they even have direct access to even high caliber rounds aside from some rifles.

    Though I do know that some agencies have access to models of MP5s that have burst & full auto fire. Burst fire is most likely a favorite option among most of them, seeing as full auto isn't really that "friendly" to anyone nearby.
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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    What makes a weapon that fits this definition more deadly than many other weapons that don't? And to save me trouble of asking later, let's see the evidence for your claim.
    I’m not a proponent of gun bans specifically and agree that there is no clear definition of “assault weapon” or definitive concepts that make them more dangerous.

    I do think the general principle is fairly clear though, around the idea of weapons specifically designed with the purpose of being able to kill lots of people in close-to-medium range very quickly and effectively. Other weapons, such as single-shot hunting rifles or personal defence focused pistols don’t have that factor, though that obviously doesn’t mean they’re not deadly, especially in specific circumstances. Even weapons like sniper rifles or shotguns, which obviously have similar capabilities in given environments, have practical limitations that don’t make them the same general-purpose mass killing tools.

    Beyond the ranting and rhetoric, much gun control campaigning is well intentioned, about seeking to reduce risk and recognising that it can’t be eliminated. Focusing on weapons which are by design more capable of causing the greatest harm in the wrong hands makes some kind of sense. The practical realities of how you do that is an entirely different question, possibly one with no viable answer.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Last I checked, law enforcement and swat forces used legal firearms.

    I don't think they even have direct access to even high caliber rounds aside from some rifles.

    Though I do know that some agencies have access to models of MP5s that have burst & full auto fire. Burst fire is most likely a favorite option among most of them, seeing as full auto isn't really that "friendly" to anyone nearby.
    Those are only legal (in some states) because LEOs are exempt by law from their "common sense" magazine capacity restrictions.
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