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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    An assault rifle ban is irrational. It is no different than banning shot glasses to combat drunk driving.
    Well there are at least two major difference:

    1. Drunk driving kills a lot more people than mass shootings.
    2. Hardly anybody is talking about doing anything to prevent drunk driving deaths, apparently because they're too busy lying about assault weapons.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    Incredible.

    With all the support for banning "assault weapons," why can't anyone provide a rational, straightforward basis for doing so?
    They could, but that would likely let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. If (potential for?) criminal abuse is brought up then obviously handguns would top the "let's ban them yesterday" list - since handguns are less expensive, easier to conceal and more commonly abused by criminals than any type of rifle or shotgun.
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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    They could, but that would likely let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. If (potential for?) criminal abuse is brought up then obviously handguns would top the "let's ban them yesterday" list - since handguns are less expensive, easier to conceal and more commonly abused by criminals than any type of rifle or shotgun.
    In the 1980s, the handgun banning movement was losing steam. The desire to ban handgun peak had come and gone, and the gun banners claims were no longer effective. So they decided it was time to try to ban a smaller segment of the guns honest people owned so they went after modern sporting rifles and legally owned machine guns: the latter firearms already heavily regulated and far less commonly owned than handguns or semi auto rifles-and also having zero incidents of violent crime attributed to them.

    This caused the bannerrhoid movement to do an about face. For four decades, the anti gun movement had told us handguns should be banned because

    1) they are easily concealable
    2) the are cheap
    3) they aren't accurate
    4) they aren't good for hunting
    5) and they have no MILITIA use

    but then the Bannerrhoid movement adopted these arguments for banning rifles that were

    1) usually expensive
    2) very accurate
    3) hard to conceal
    4) often very useful for hunting
    5)and the best militia type weapons people could own after the ban on currently made machine guns


    The entire purpose for this change in tactics is to harass gun owners and to set a precedent. If you can convince the low wattage masses to ban guns that are used in less than 1.5% of all murders, than you can make a far more convincing argument to ban handguns since they are used in about 70% of all murders.

    Crime control has nothing to do with the attacks on modern sporting rifles. Its all about banning all guns and harassing gun owners.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    In the 1980s, the handgun banning movement was losing steam. The desire to ban handgun peak had come and gone, and the gun banners claims were no longer effective. So they decided it was time to try to ban a smaller segment of the guns honest people owned so they went after modern sporting rifles and legally owned machine guns: the latter firearms already heavily regulated and far less commonly owned than handguns or semi auto rifles-and also having zero incidents of violent crime attributed to them.

    This caused the bannerrhoid movement to do an about face. For four decades, the anti gun movement had told us handguns should be banned because

    1) they are easily concealable
    2) the are cheap
    3) they aren't accurate
    4) they aren't good for hunting
    5) and they have no MILITIA use

    but then the Bannerrhoid movement adopted these arguments for banning rifles that were

    1) usually expensive
    2) very accurate
    3) hard to conceal
    4) often very useful for hunting
    5)and the best militia type weapons people could own after the ban on currently made machine guns


    The entire purpose for this change in tactics is to harass gun owners and to set a precedent. If you can convince the low wattage masses to ban guns that are used in less than 1.5% of all murders, than you can make a far more convincing argument to ban handguns since they are used in about 70% of all murders.

    Crime control has nothing to do with the attacks on modern sporting rifles. Its all about banning all guns and harassing gun owners.
    There seems to be a shift towards establishing magazine capacity limits (on any semi-auto rifle, pistol or shotgun) with narrow exceptions for .22 rimfire and, of course, LEOs.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There seems to be a shift towards establishing magazine capacity limits (on any semi-auto rifle, pistol or shotgun) with narrow exceptions for .22 rimfire and, of course, LEOs.
    In what way do you see such a shift? I have yet to see any indication of these fools backing off banning rifles based on meaningless features.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There seems to be a shift towards establishing magazine capacity limits (on any semi-auto rifle, pistol or shotgun) with narrow exceptions for .22 rimfire and, of course, LEOs.
    that is merely an attempt to ultimately ban any firearm that is useful for self defense. If the government can claim it has the proper power to ban magazines than it will claim it has the power to limit civilian firearms to 1 or 2 shots. the main goal of the gun banners is not to actually confiscate guns, since that would get lots of people killed and may well cause a rather nasty backlash against the gun banners. What they want to do is make open and obvious uses of firearms illegal. Such as competitive shooting or hunting. WHY? because if all those activities die off, then most of the organizations that promote gun use will wither and die--and that is one of the main goals of the collectivist left. They absolutely HATE the power the pro gun groups have politically and one of their main goals is getting rid of the gun lobby.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is merely an attempt to ultimately ban any firearm that is useful for self defense. If the government can claim it has the proper power to ban magazines than it will claim it has the power to limit civilian firearms to 1 or 2 shots. the main goal of the gun banners is not to actually confiscate guns, since that would get lots of people killed and may well cause a rather nasty backlash against the gun banners. What they want to do is make open and obvious uses of firearms illegal. Such as competitive shooting or hunting. WHY? because if all those activities die off, then most of the organizations that promote gun use will wither and die--and that is one of the main goals of the collectivist left. They absolutely HATE the power the pro gun groups have politically and one of their main goals is getting rid of the gun lobby.
    I can't be the only one to notice that most of the usual anti-gun suspects on DP have avoided this thread like the plague. It's amazing how much you can prove by simply asking a straightforward question.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I can't be the only one to notice that most of the usual anti-gun suspects on DP have avoided this thread like the plague. It's amazing how much you can prove by simply asking a straightforward question.
    They are ignorant of the subject so they cannot answer-or they evade. Hatred of the politics of NRA members and gun owners is what causes them to advocate for gun bans
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    That was kind of my point. I was just given example characteristics that might apply, but pointing out that there is no easy way to establish a simple definitive line. That doesn't mean there isn't an understandable difference between the nature of different types of firearm, only that there are fuzzy lines between them.
    Coming up with definitive lines is no problem. The problem is that the left is trying to ban ordinary weapons that there is no justification for banning.

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    Re: What makes "assault-style weapons" more dangerous than other weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    This is what makes them more dangerous than other weapons.

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    That is incorrect. Nothing in that article establishes that having a pistol grip on a rifle makes it more dangerous.

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