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This weapon is a mass murder's wet dream!!!

Bucky said:
The Constitution is simply a document we aspire to follow but are not required to follow like the Bible or Koran.

Let's not act the US Constitution is some sort of ten commandments in stone.
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independentusa said:
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I can see it as it happens. A van pulls up and parks on a busy street somewhere in a city. The back doors to the van are swung open by the driver and inside is the shooter with the gatling gun and starts to mow down people at a new and alarming rate. After going through a couple of mags the doors are shut and the van races off looking for more targets and another street. Definitely a mass murder's wet dream of a weapon. And the NRA will be telling us that it is the right of people to won their own gatling gun as they need it to protect their houses.
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The rate of fire of those old timey gatling guns is 200 rounds per minute which that one in the article is a scaled down version of. It would be just easier and cheaper to just use regular semiautomatic firearms in your scenario. Which is probably what gang bangers do all the time. They are called drive by shootings.
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Bucky said:
The Constitution is simply a document we aspire to follow but are not required to follow like the Bible or Koran.

Let's not act the US Constitution is some sort of ten commandments in stone.
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Who ever told you that is a ****en retard. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, no laws enacted can not and should not violate it.
 
TurtleDude said:
damn is that stupid. its the law of the land
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The law of the land differs based on whoever is interpreting it.

The constitution provides inspiration, not something you follow word for word. In essence, it is living breathable document. Nobody but nutcases interprets it in a static form.
 
jamesrage said:
Who ever told you that is a ****en retard. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, no laws enacted can not and should not violate it.
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Based on one person's interpretation.
 
jamesrage said:
The rate of fire of those old timey gatling guns is 200 rounds per minute which that one in the article is a scaled down version of. It would be just easier and cheaper to just use regular semiautomatic firearms in your scenario. Which is probably what gang bangers do all the time. They are called drive by shootings.
Gatling gun - Wikipedia
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So that means in 30 seconds you could empty a 100 rounds, which is more than twice the rate of the Dayton shooter who got off 42 rounds in about 32 seconds.
 
independentusa said:
So that means in 30 seconds you could empty a 100 rounds, which is more than twice the rate of the Dayton shooter who got off 42 rounds in about 32 seconds.
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Could you get a wide area of coverage while actually hitting people with a hand cranked firearm? Emptying rounds doesn't mean squat if you can't hit what you are shooting at.
 
Bucky said:
Based on one person's interpretation.
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No its not based on one person's interpretation. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. That is a fact. Who ever told you that it wasn't the supreme law of the law lied their ass off to you and is an anti-American piece of ****.
 
TurtleDude said:
The street price on the new Tippmann Armory 9mm Gatling Gun hasn’t been officially set as of yet, but expect it to be around $3500 to $4000
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I'm all for it. Anyone who wants one should get one. I live far enough from the border that the racket won't keep me awake at night and I'm in no danger from strays.
I'll invest in whoever makes the ammunition.
 
jamesrage said:
No its not based on one person's interpretation. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. That is a fact. Who ever told you that it wasn't the supreme law of the law lied their ass off to you and is an anti-American piece of ****.
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what a load.
 
Bucky said:
what a load.
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The only load here is your retard claim that the Constitution is simply a document we aspire to follow but are not required to follow. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Who ever told you it wasn't the supreme law of the land lied their ass off to you. Part of the supreme court's job is making sure the laws that are challenged before it are constitutional.
 
jamesrage said:
The only load here is your retard claim that the Constitution is simply a document we aspire to follow but are not required to follow. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Who ever told you it wasn't the supreme law of the land lied their ass off to you. Part of the supreme court's job is making sure the laws that are challenged before it are constitutional.
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Thank JR for proving my point :)

Just Ridiculous!
 
jamesrage said:
The only load here is your retard claim that the Constitution is simply a document we aspire to follow but are not required to follow. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Who ever told you it wasn't the supreme law of the land lied their ass off to you. Part of the supreme court's job is making sure the laws that are challenged before it are constitutional.
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I do not often agree with you but the constitution as interpreted by SCOTUS is the law of the land. Any laws passed that violate the constitution and its interpretations are null and void. Anyone who thinks differently ought to take a course in the constitution.
 
independentusa said:
Tippmann Armory 9mm Gatling GunThe Firearm Blog
I can see it as it happens. A van pulls up and parks on a busy street somewhere in a city. The back doors to the van are swung open by the driver and inside is the shooter with the gatling gun and starts to mow down people at a new and alarming rate. After going through a couple of mags the doors are shut and the van races off looking for more targets and another street. Definitely a mass murder's wet dream of a weapon. And the NRA will be telling us that it is the right of people to won their own gatling gun as they need it to protect their houses.
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:roll: Anti-gun people generally have NO clue what they are talking about. Instead, they post about their waking up on a cold sweat nightmare about the mysterious terrifying gun they know nothing about.

IN FACT, Gatlin guns are 100% legal, require NOT license of any kind.

No, it is not. I understand the absolute terror a .22 rifle causes many progressives. So OMG for something like that. But it's a gimmick. I have a .308 and a 30.06 Browning 1918 Gatlin gun - legal, vastly more lethal, belt fed so could have a thousand rounds fired before reloading - but it too is a fly weight in the weapons choices for mass murderers. And it is LEAST lethal in Gatlin gun form.

I also had twin Ruger 10/22 rifles set up as twin gatlin guns, 100 round canisters on both. I bought it used and it was kit sold, probably still is. It was absolutely worthless. You could crank out 200 rounds and the odds you could hit a rabbit would be next to none - where it would take 2 seconds with a pellet gun. You REALLY don't know what you are talking about.

"OMG! A Gatlin Gun!!!!" :lamo

Setting aside aircraft, a bomb could kill 10 times as many people in 1 second - and the bomber remain unknown to do it again than that Gatlin gun would cause. The government WANTS psychotic and sociopathic people who want to commit mass murder to BELIEVE that guns are THE great murderer - but in fact they are the least.

Bombs and arson can and HAVE caused far more deaths in an attack than ANY mass shooting ever - in the USA or anywhere else in the world. The Vegas shooter would have killed at least 20 times as many people if he had flown his plane into the crowd after putting in a couple drums of gasoline. Even a rented U-Haul truck hitting the fence and that densely packed crowd would have killed many times more people - and cost him less than his motel room - not even counting the cost of his guns and bullets.

Now added to the danger are drones that can be sent to their precise target by GPS programming. New chemical bombs that can be created by refining ordinary household chemicals are vastly more powerful than dynamite - VASTLY more. A 10 pound bomb set off 50 feet over a crowd - like at the concert or an open air football game would instantly kill hundreds - if there was only 1 drone - with no possible way to know who did it or stop that person from doing in again.

People who rant and sob on and on and on about how the .22 semi automatic rifle (AR15) or something like you posted really are fools - but you serve the purpose the government wants. They want YOU to convince every person who wants to kill a lot of people to pick a weapon YOU would pick out as the perfect mass murder weapon.
 
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Despite the government firing thousands of rounds from the most deadly guns that exist at those in the compound in Waco, actually it was poison gas and fire that killed them most.

Timothy McVeigh could have obtained twin barrel 50 caliber machines guns if he wanted them, but he understood weapons - unlike the OPer in his message and essentially ever other anti-gunner who doesn't. Why would he do something stupid like that? For much, much less he could destroy the entire building, with over 800 killed or wounded in ONE SECOND - and he got away. No more complicated that renting a truck and ordinary chemicals - costing far, far less and big, fast firing scary looking guns. Only IDIOTS use guns for mass murder. Fortunately, most are idiots.

The government clearly is doing everything possible to convince the inevitable and endless violently crazy people that THE most deadly of all weapons a person can use is a 22 caliber rifle! Unfortunately, they can't convince them to take it down just a TAD smaller to .177 - the caliber of pellet and bb guns. Yes, a 22 rifle is more danger than a pellet gun. To anti-gunners, the .22 rifle is the most deadly weapon every devised in the history of the world other than nuclear weapons.

HOPE wannabe mass murderers continue to usually opt for guns. ANYTHING else they pursue is vastly - and even unthinkably - more lethal, allows absolutely no defense, and allows the murderer to remain anonymous, escape and do it again.

Which would rather have happen at a restaurant you were at:
1. A man runs in with a 22 rifle shooting at people really fast.
2. A man walks in with bombs strapped around him under his coat and sets it off.
3. A man walks in with a briefcase bomb that he as some radioactive waste and homemade napalm in (I doubt few people know how easy that is to make), leaves it under a booth and walks out.

Which one do you think you would most survive? Which one do you think anyone could limit how many are killed and crippled? Which one does the murderer most likely escape to do it again?

People have NO clue how powerful new age chemical bombs really are, increasingly how many are being pursued to make by wannabe mass murderers, or how extremely difficult it is to prevent it or the methods uses. However, it is not a topic I'll go into.

HOPE MASS MURDERERS KEEP USING 22 CALIBER AR15s. EVERY effort is being made to convince crazy reclusive psychologically disturbed people to think ONLY about them if as they work themselves into a mass murder mode. The vast majority of people escape a mass shooting, of those shot most are only wounded, and the mass shooter is quickly always killed or surrenders.

Nothing will eliminate mass murder. Not now. Not ever. The ONLY question is how can you 1.) detect them in advance to stop them, 2.) can you get them to hurt or kill themselves by their own weapon inadvertently, and 3.) how to limit how much death and destruction they can cause. The answer to each of those 3 is to hope the plan involved a 22 caliber semi-automatic rifle - AR15 or other model.
 
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TurtleDude said:
The street price on the new Tippmann Armory 9mm Gatling Gun hasn’t been officially set as of yet, but expect it to be around $3500 to $4000
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A person with a bolt action Remington 700 deer rifle from high up and 100 yards away could kill more people in a crowd than someone pulling up in a van and open firing with a 9mm Gatlin gun. I really see something like that as nothing but government baiting. Not wanting to know who wants one, but hoping a wannabe mass murderer is stupid enough to make that his weapon.

Sure, that Gatlin gun would hurt a lot of people, but the kill rate would be less than 10%. From a guy who has 2 and had 3, a Gatlin gun is a gun toy to mess around with. That's ALL they are. If I wanted to make either more actually lethal, the Gatlin gun attachment would go and be replaced with an ordinary trigger as a semi-auto. At least that can be aimed.

While hitting amost no one lethally, all it would do is run out of ammo really, really fast. Lack of accuracy control and rapidly having no ammo is why the USA Marines, Army, Navy and Air Force ended their standard service rifle from being full auto ("machine gun'). Why? They are less lethal by far than a semi-auto and just leaves the Marine, Soldier, Sailor or Airman with an empty rifle having sent nearly all their ammo off target as aiming can not be controlled.
 
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A person could take over the world with one of these. :2razz:



Most people can pull the trigger on a regular Glock faster than that goofy looking toy. I like the tiny tires with the tiny trailer and the tiny extension on the trailer to hook it up to a tiny Humvee. :lol:

The fella shooting has probably fired a million bullets in his life. He is 100 times more accurate and better than the average reclusive lone wolf of little to no shooting experience. But even at THAT close a range hit rate of hitting a bottle was less than 1 out of 3 - and for a 9mm only about 6-7% of the human body is a certain - or highly likely - kill with a 9mm - and the best he could do spray the area.

Do the math. In that 60 round volley, the number likely killed would be between 2 and 3. Of course the bottles were just standing there - not running off all different directions. As I stated, it is an absurdity as a firearm. More lethal than a bb machine gun I suppose.
 
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Outlook said:
Don’t be scared. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning than shot with a Gatling gun. LOL ��
Actually if you are privileged white boy, stay out of the hood, you have a much greater chance of being murdered by anything other than a Gatling gun. LOL ��
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White boys should definitely stay out of the hood. There's still a long way to go to get rid of violent racism there - and unfortunately it may be getting worse rather than better - exactly as the Democratic Party has always pushed to create as much separation between black and white people as possible. They are now also furiously pursuing making as much separation between Latinos and whites - and blacks and Latinos.

If you are a white male, stay out of the hood. You are highly suspect as to why you are there and you are opportunity to retaliate against your ancestors enslaving theirs - even if there is no slavery in their ancestry and or don't if there was. This is exactly as the Democratic Party and the propagandists of the MSM, press and Internet of the super rich corporate white "liberals" the wealthiest people in the history of earth - want. They WANT black people to hate white people - and they want white people afraid of black people. That is what the Democratic Party has ALWAYS done and pursued - racial segregation and division.
 
joko104 said:
White boys should definitely stay out of the hood. There's still a long way to go to get rid of violent racism there - and unfortunately it may be getting worse rather than better - exactly as the Democratic Party has always pushed to create as much separation between black and white people as possible. They are now also furiously pursuing making as much separation between Latinos and whites - and blacks and Latinos.

If you are a white male, stay out of the hood. You are highly suspect as to why you are there and you are opportunity to retaliate against your ancestors enslaving theirs - even if there is no slavery in their ancestry and or don't if there was. This is exactly as the Democratic Party and the propagandists of the MSM, press and Internet of the super rich corporate white "liberals" the wealthiest people in the history of earth - want. They WANT black people to hate white people - and they want white people afraid of black people. That is what the Democratic Party has ALWAYS done and pursued - racial segregation and division.
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I disagree. I had no problems visiting Compton and Watts in southern California. If I wanted to play a good game of basketball, then I would always go to either Venice or Compton. Are there black ignorant bigots like there are white ignorant bigots? Absolutely, but they are also a minority. The overwhelming majority of blacks were just as comfortable with me being in Compton or Watts, as the overwhelming majority of whites were comfortable with blacks in Santa Monica or Pacific Palisades. There are always going to be a minority of ignorant pricks, regardless of the color of their skin, you shouldn't allow that to stop you from doing what you want because the overwhelming majority are not that way.

I've been all over East Los Angeles as well, and the Latinos or Hispanics (or whatever you want to call them) are no different from anyone else.
 
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Bucky said:
Thank JR for proving my point :)

Just Ridiculous!
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The only thing rediculous here is your claim the Constitution is not the supreme law of the land. Where did you hear that bull**** claim it wasn't? Who was your teacher that lied to you and said the Constitution wasn't the supreme law of the land?
 
Glitch said:
I disagree. I had no problems visiting Compton and Watts in southern California. If I wanted to play a good game of basketball, then I would always go to either Venice or Compton. Are there black ignorant bigots like there are white ignorant bigots? Absolutely, but they are also a minority. The overwhelming majority of blacks were just as comfortable with me being in Compton or Watts, as the overwhelming majority of whites were comfortable with blacks in Santa Monica or Pacific Palisades. There are always going to be a minority of ignorant pricks, regardless of the color of their skin, you shouldn't allow that to stop you from doing what you want because the overwhelming majority are not that way.

I've been all over East Los Angeles as well, and the Latinos or Hispanics (or whatever you want to call them) are no different from anyone else.
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I don't know that area at all, my experience (extensive) is Chicago.

It's all about the odds, circumstances, persons involved etc. Danger and self defense is a matter of the odds, not certainty. A person should consider and adjust upon the odds. There is a saying I have always tried to live by: "Fear is a worthless emotion - but caution is always advised." ;)
 
Another maybe odd view I have is that the rule of nature is that there are predators and prey. The prey can flee, try to hide or fight back. If fleeing or hiding is not possible or known to likely fail, the prey should fight against the odds.

I can not know what I would do in the future as no one knows the future. But in the past, anytime I was being put into the "prey" situation my goal was to do anything to shift my role to also be prey. I have to first flee or hide - but my goal is to shift roles - something predators rarely consider when the are operating in the predator mode. They do not expect the prey to attack, do not expect the prey to double back at them, do not expect the prey they are chasing and now trying to hide - instead be lying in waiting.

Most mass shooters are not combat experienced and have very little firearm experience. They do not grasp out quickly a person can dash 30, 40, 50 feet. They do not realize their vision only allows them seeing less than 50% of what is around them. They think horizontally and 2 dimensional. They do not grasp that almost anything hard is a weapon. They do not understand natural delay times in reaction to being attacked. They do not realize that actually, in the final outcome, maybe it wasn't his gun, but the gun of his prey who got it away from him, killing him with his own gun.

If you actually read about mass shooting in settings where their prey (other people) are close, when any DO decide to attack rather than flee, more times than not they have been able to overcome and disarm the shooter.

That even now is in most training for mass shooting situations. Flee. Barricade. Hide. If that fails? FIGHT with anything and everything you can find. Even if shot while charging, that doesn't mean you die and doesn't mean he wins. It is not like Hollywood where if someone is shot they instantly fly backwards dead before they hit the ground.

Most people don't realize in nearly any indoor setting they are surrounded by weapons - mostly blunt force and throwable weapons. Being combat inexperienced, the shooter would instinctively first duck IF he sees it. There is A LOT of psychology involved in violent conflicts, including subconscious instinctive reactions.

These lone wolf, shooting and fighting inexperienced shooters are already so emotionally charged up having to deal with massive never experienced info they are highly prone to have confused and slow reactions - plus guns are extremely loud, which is highly disorienting - which is why there are always breaks in their shooting heard if it is recorded by audio - not continuous fire. The deafening blasts of their gun is getting to them. (Only people with shooting experience understands this). Having ear protectors or not, their hearing is highly reduced - still another disorienting handicap and vulnerability (why police use flash-bang devices).
 
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joko104 said:
I don't know that area at all, my experience (extensive) is Chicago.

It's all about the odds, circumstances, persons involved etc. Danger and self defense is a matter of the odds, not certainty. A person should consider and adjust upon the odds. There is a saying I have always tried to live by: "Fear is a worthless emotion - but caution is always advised." ;)
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I've only been to Chicago once - by mistake. In my younger days I once hopped on to an empty box car that ended up in Chicago. It was further than I had intended to travel, so I didn't stay long.

I don't think it has anything to do with odds or probability at all. I think it has more to do with one's demeanor or attitude. If you walk into any neighborhood anywhere and act like a victim, then you probably will be. I was only interested in finding a decent game of basketball, and I didn't care with whom, that was my attitude. Most had no problem with that, only a tiny minority felt I didn't belong. I feel more at risk going fishing for salmon in Alaska than I ever did going to Compton, Watts, or East Los Angeles. Which is why I'm always armed for bear, and never bothered to carry in California.
 
joko104 said:
Another maybe odd view I have is that the rule of nature is that there are predators and prey. The prey can flee, try to hide or fight back. If fleeing or hiding is not possible or known to likely fail, the prey should fight against the odds.

I can not know what I would do in the future as no one knows the future. But in the past, anytime I was being put into the "prey" situation my goal was to do anything to shift my role to also be prey. I have to first flee or hide - but my goal is to shift roles - something predators rarely consider when the are operating in the predator mode. They do not expect the prey to attack, do not expect the prey to double back at them, do not expect the prey they are chasing and now trying to hide - instead be lying in waiting.

Most mass shooters are not combat experienced and have very little firearm experience. They do not grasp out quickly a person can dash 30, 40, 50 feet. They do not realize their vision only allows them seeing less than 50% of what is around them. They think horizontally and 2 dimensional. They do not grasp that almost anything hard is a weapon. They do not understand natural delay times in reaction to being attacked. They do not realize that actually, in the final outcome, maybe it wasn't his gun, but the gun of his prey who got it away from him, killing him with his own gun.

If you actually read about mass shooting in settings where their prey (other people) are close, when any DO decide to attack rather than flee, more times than not they have been able to overcome and disarm the shooter.

That even now is in most training for mass shooting situations. Flee. Barricade. Hide. If that fails? FIGHT with anything and everything you can find. Even if shot while charging, that doesn't mean you die and doesn't mean he wins. It is not like Hollywood where if someone is shot they instantly fly backwards dead before they hit the ground.

Most people don't realize in nearly any indoor setting they are surrounded by weapons - mostly blunt force and throwable weapons. Being combat inexperienced, the shooter would instinctively first duck IF he sees it. There is A LOT of psychology involved in violent conflicts, including subconscious instinctive reactions.

These lone wolf, shooting and fighting inexperienced shooters are already so emotionally charged up having to deal with massive never experienced info they are highly prone to have confused and slow reactions - plus guns are extremely loud, which is highly disorienting - which there are always breaks in their shooting heard if it is recorded by audio. Having ear protectors or not, their hearing is highly reduced - still another disorienting handicap and vulnerability (why police use flash-bang devices).
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In the case of humans I don't think the predator/prey analogy works. Humans have the choice of being either, and it very much is a choice. In either case, one never runs from a predator. Predatory animals are instinctually programmed to chase anything running away from them. Wolves are actually coursing predators. Meaning they literally eat on the run. So the very last thing you want to do when faced with a predator is to run away.

That is also a good policy to have when confronting other humans as well, unless massively out-numbered. Most people who have not been trained in the martial arts (including the military) haven't had any kind of confrontation since at least high school. So it would be unreasonable to expect them to be able to think on their feet and utilize nearby objects in their defense since it would be a totally alien experience for them. I completely agree that there is a lot of psychology involved in violent conflicts, and unless they have been trained to overcome their instincts I wouldn't expect them to be able to mount an decent defense or be able to respond effectively. It is a skill that has to be learned.
 
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