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[W:92] Federal legislation is needed to stop gun violence

Keep telling yourself that. I hope all the NRA-on-the-take Politicians adopt the same attitude. Then they can all join Laperriere in his NRA-purchased multi-million dollar Dallas mansion, when they lose their elections.

If Laperriere has politicians on the take, then who do you imagine Epstein and dogs like him had on the take?
 
Actually no.. its not strange.

For one..those countries have a much higher degree of social safety nets. Particularly healthcare which would mean that likely people with mental health problems probably have significantly more access to some healthcare for mental health versus here in the united states.

Also there may be less stigma associated with mental health than here in the states.. which again.. leads to more access to mental health treatments.

So no.. its not strange at all. I am sure there may be other factors as well.. like how they deal with drug use.. like the difference between treatment versus incarceration... since a lot of folks with mental health issues get into drugs as a means to self medicate themselves.

Like any other science, the studies of Mental Illness from one country to the next overlap, and a are shared. To say that the US efforts at controlling mental illness is that much different than the other nations on that chart, such that these differences would lead to the US having a gun-death rate 10x many of those countries, is ludicrous.
 
Like any other science, the studies of Mental Illness from one country to the next overlap, and a are shared. To say that the US efforts at controlling mental illness is that much different than the other nations on that chart, such that these differences would lead to the US having a gun-death rate 10x many of those countries, is ludicrous.

No its not ludicrous.

So what that studies of mental illness are shared?

Whats not shared is universal healthcare.. where approximately 10% of our population doesn't have health insurance and doesn't have access to healthcare unless its a dire emergency. Which puts people with mental health problems and without health insurance in a tough spot.

Statistically the mass shootings were someone decides to go out and kill school children.. or go kill folks randomly in a mall.. etc.. is very small. It garners a lot of attention.. but of the 329 million people in the country.. the fellow that decides to go shoot children is extremely rare.

Well..so statistically, when you have 10% of the population that has little to no access to mental health care.. you are talking about 32 MILLION people. Its certainly statistically logical that 32 million people without access to mental health could account for the difference between America and the UK when it comes to mass shooting.
 
No its not ludicrous.

So what that studies of mental illness are shared?

Whats not shared is universal healthcare.. where approximately 10% of our population doesn't have health insurance and doesn't have access to healthcare unless its a dire emergency. Which puts people with mental health problems and without health insurance in a tough spot.

Statistically the mass shootings were someone decides to go out and kill school children.. or go kill folks randomly in a mall.. etc.. is very small. It garners a lot of attention.. but of the 329 million people in the country.. the fellow that decides to go shoot children is extremely rare.

Well..so statistically, when you have 10% of the population that has little to no access to mental health care.. you are talking about 32 MILLION people. Its certainly statistically logical that 32 million people without access to mental health could account for the difference between America and the UK when it comes to mass shooting.

You made the ridiculous "mental illness" statement. Prove your point. We've averaged almost one mass-murder per day in the US in 2019. My bar is a lot higher than that.
 
You made the ridiculous "mental illness" statement. Prove your point. We've averaged almost one mass-murder per day in the US in 2019. My bar is a lot higher than that.
The overwhelming majority of those "mass shootings" are gang related, not the mental health issues that we see in actual mass shootings. The definition of "mass shootings" has been changed to push an agenda and it's backfiring for the anti-gun crowd big time.
 
The overwhelming majority of those "mass shootings" are gang related, not the mental health issues that we see in actual mass shootings. The definition of "mass shootings" has been changed to push an agenda and it's backfiring for the anti-gun crowd big time.

truth, a few months ago, in the Greater Cincinnati area-a few miles from where I live, a Sikh woman and three relatives were found shot to death in their home. Interestingly, the Sikh community and the leader of their community, was not screaming about a hate crime. Several months later, the husband of the woman was arrested for the four murders. Now this is termed a mass shooting, but most of us in the area didn't see it anything like the other well publicized mass shooting in SW Ohio, the nut case who walked into a crowded street in Dayton and started blazing away. Other than the fact four or more were killed, there was almost nothing in common with those two "mass shootings". And you are right, for every "mass shooting" like Dayton or the Garlic festival event in California or Parkland, HS, there are dozens that are either gang related or often "Murder suicides" where a family member takes out his family and often himself.
 
The overwhelming majority of those "mass shootings" are gang related, not the mental health issues that we see in actual mass shootings. The definition of "mass shootings" has been changed to push an agenda and it's backfiring for the anti-gun crowd big time.

Recent polls of Americans on gun control contradict your statement to the Nth degree.

Americans Largely Support Gun Restrictions To 'Do Something' About Gun Violence : NPR

A solid majority of Americans say they are in favor of stricter gun laws in the United States — 61% said so in a May Quinnipiac poll.
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According to the polls, there are few issues with as broad support as universal background checks — 89% overall said they supported background checks for gun purchases at gun shows or other private sales, in a July NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.

Even 84% of Republicans are in favor of them, according to the poll. Another example: that May Quinnipiac poll had support for requiring background checks for all gun buyers at 94% overall (98% for Democrats, 94% independents, 92% Republicans).

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The poll of 1,200 likely voters before the 2018 midterm elections found that 89% wanted Congress to pass a red flag law, and 75% said they were more likely to support a candidate in favor of them.
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Three-quarters (77%) said in the May Quinnipiac poll that they supported requiring individuals to obtain a license before being able to purchase a gun.

That included 65% of Republicans, so this is a popular idea, but there is little talk about it currently on Capitol Hill in response to the latest mass shootings.

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A majority — 57% — of Americans said they were in favor of a ban on the sale of semi-automatic assault guns such as the AK-47 or the AR-15, according to the July NPR poll. But while that's a solid majority, this is a very polarizing topic.
...
The February NPR poll also found two-thirds — 65% — thought banning high-capacity ammunition clips would make a difference in reducing gun violence.
 
Recent polls of Americans on gun control contradict your statement to the Nth degree.

Americans Largely Support Gun Restrictions To 'Do Something' About Gun Violence : NPR

A solid majority of Americans say they are in favor of stricter gun laws in the United States — 61% said so in a May Quinnipiac poll.
...
According to the polls, there are few issues with as broad support as universal background checks — 89% overall said they supported background checks for gun purchases at gun shows or other private sales, in a July NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.

Even 84% of Republicans are in favor of them, according to the poll. Another example: that May Quinnipiac poll had support for requiring background checks for all gun buyers at 94% overall (98% for Democrats, 94% independents, 92% Republicans).

...
The poll of 1,200 likely voters before the 2018 midterm elections found that 89% wanted Congress to pass a red flag law, and 75% said they were more likely to support a candidate in favor of them.
...
Three-quarters (77%) said in the May Quinnipiac poll that they supported requiring individuals to obtain a license before being able to purchase a gun.

That included 65% of Republicans, so this is a popular idea, but there is little talk about it currently on Capitol Hill in response to the latest mass shootings.

...
A majority — 57% — of Americans said they were in favor of a ban on the sale of semi-automatic assault guns such as the AK-47 or the AR-15, according to the July NPR poll. But while that's a solid majority, this is a very polarizing topic.
...
The February NPR poll also found two-thirds — 65% — thought banning high-capacity ammunition clips would make a difference in reducing gun violence.

How is that nonsense even remotely related to what Red said? we understand that ignorant and stupid people are easily swayed to support stupid anti gun legislation because that is a common action by sheeple. Like it or not, the second amendment prevents the bleatings of sheep from mattering

why don't you tell us what the second amendment actually protects.
 
How is that nonsense even remotely related to what Red said? we understand that ignorant and stupid people are easily swayed to support stupid anti gun legislation because that is a common action by sheeple. Like it or not, the second amendment prevents the bleatings of sheep from mattering

why don't you tell us what the second amendment actually protects.

If you have such a low opinion of Americans, perhaps you are in the wrong country.
 
If you have such a low opinion of Americans, perhaps you are in the wrong country.

I have a low opinion of stupid people or those who buy into dishonest and specious schemes that are fake solutions to violent crime.

what is your explanation of the second amendment?
 
How is that nonsense even remotely related to what Red said? we understand that ignorant and stupid people are easily swayed to support stupid anti gun legislation because that is a common action by sheeple. Like it or not, the second amendment prevents the bleatings of sheep from mattering

why don't you tell us what the second amendment actually protects.

His statement implied that Americans support less gun restrictions, and polls show the exact opposite to be true.
 
His statement implied that Americans support less gun restrictions, and polls show the exact opposite to be true.

Still waiting to see your take on the second amendment.
 
Where did he go, and why does asking anti gun posters to actually define the second amendment cause so many of them to run off?
 
Recent polls of Americans on gun control contradict your statement to the Nth degree.

Americans Largely Support Gun Restrictions To 'Do Something' About Gun Violence : NPR

A solid majority of Americans say they are in favor of stricter gun laws in the United States — 61% said so in a May Quinnipiac poll.
...
According to the polls, there are few issues with as broad support as universal background checks — 89% overall said they supported background checks for gun purchases at gun shows or other private sales, in a July NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.

Even 84% of Republicans are in favor of them, according to the poll. Another example: that May Quinnipiac poll had support for requiring background checks for all gun buyers at 94% overall (98% for Democrats, 94% independents, 92% Republicans).

...
The poll of 1,200 likely voters before the 2018 midterm elections found that 89% wanted Congress to pass a red flag law, and 75% said they were more likely to support a candidate in favor of them.
...
Three-quarters (77%) said in the May Quinnipiac poll that they supported requiring individuals to obtain a license before being able to purchase a gun.

That included 65% of Republicans, so this is a popular idea, but there is little talk about it currently on Capitol Hill in response to the latest mass shootings.

...
A majority — 57% — of Americans said they were in favor of a ban on the sale of semi-automatic assault guns such as the AK-47 or the AR-15, according to the July NPR poll. But while that's a solid majority, this is a very polarizing topic.
...
The February NPR poll also found two-thirds — 65% — thought banning high-capacity ammunition clips would make a difference in reducing gun violence.
This gibberish has nothing to do with what I stated. But I can see why you'd try to move the goalposts since your narrative was destroyed.
 
This gibberish has nothing to do with what I stated. But I can see why you'd try to move the goalposts since your narrative was destroyed.

NPR has been rated one of the most unbiased media outlets. The reporting is factual of polls around the country.
 
Recent polls of Americans on gun control contradict your statement to the Nth degree.

Americans Largely Support Gun Restrictions To 'Do Something' About Gun Violence : NPR

A solid majority of Americans say they are in favor of stricter gun laws in the United States — 61% said so in a May Quinnipiac poll.
...
According to the polls, there are few issues with as broad support as universal background checks — 89% overall said they supported background checks for gun purchases at gun shows or other private sales, in a July NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.

Even 84% of Republicans are in favor of them, according to the poll. Another example: that May Quinnipiac poll had support for requiring background checks for all gun buyers at 94% overall (98% for Democrats, 94% independents, 92% Republicans).

...
The poll of 1,200 likely voters before the 2018 midterm elections found that 89% wanted Congress to pass a red flag law, and 75% said they were more likely to support a candidate in favor of them.
...
Three-quarters (77%) said in the May Quinnipiac poll that they supported requiring individuals to obtain a license before being able to purchase a gun.

That included 65% of Republicans, so this is a popular idea, but there is little talk about it currently on Capitol Hill in response to the latest mass shootings.

...
A majority — 57% — of Americans said they were in favor of a ban on the sale of semi-automatic assault guns such as the AK-47 or the AR-15, according to the July NPR poll. But while that's a solid majority, this is a very polarizing topic.
...
The February NPR poll also found two-thirds — 65% — thought banning high-capacity ammunition clips would make a difference in reducing gun violence.

Here is poll where 37% of the respondents were in favor of, and 36% undecided about, banning Dihydrogen Monoxide. Should Dihydrogen Monoxide be banned?
And dihydrogen monoxide has a set definition, while assault weapon does not.
 
NPR has been rated one of the most unbiased media outlets. The reporting is factual of polls around the country.

And this still has nothing to do with what I stated. Circular logic has been exposed.
 
You made the ridiculous "mental illness" statement. Prove your point. We've averaged almost one mass-murder per day in the US in 2019. My bar is a lot higher than that.

That's because you mass shooting definition is things like when a gang member shoots at a party and there are other people around. Your definition of mass shooting is when an estranged husband runs into his ex wifes home and shoots when the children are in the home.

That's not a really valid "mass shooting".,, and interesting.. the vast majority of that is not being done with semiautomatic rifles either.. .

When it comes to the real.. mass shootings involving folks unrelated or unknown to the killer.. that's very rare.

Look.. I get that you don't want to listen to facts and logic. It hurts your emotional premise.. but the facts simply don't prove your premise.
 
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