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[W:92] Federal legislation is needed to stop gun violence

vegas giants said:
Well you would only not have a gun if you are a prohibited person.


You sound worried
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That makes no sense - I though the purpose of gun control was to prevent criminals from having guns. Why would someone worry about not having a gun in your land of unicorns and rainbows where criminals obey gun control laws?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That makes no sense - I though the purpose of gun control was to prevent criminals from having guns. Why would someone worry about not having a gun in your land of unicorns and rainbows where criminals obey gun control laws?
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Well clearly you are worried about having one.

I guess you wont pass a background check
 
vegas giants said:
Well clearly you are worried about having one.

I guess you wont pass a background check
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Nope - you made the vaccine analogy and a vaccine works by protecting the vaccinated from harm of a disease. One does not need to buy/own a gun in order to comply with gun control laws. Now you are asserting that even with your (unspecified) gun control system of laws in place that one must be armed in order to be (self?) protected from armed criminals.
 
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vegas giants said:
Suicides are irrelevant to the families of the dead? That is sick.


States with the highest suicide rate all have lax gun laws.
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Suicides will happen even with a gun ban. Suicides are not criminal. Suicides are self inflicted. Suicides are not violent murders. So yes suicides are irrelevant.
 
jamesrage said:
I find those stats highly doubtful seeing how most 2nd amendment opponents such as yourself don't even know what an assault weapon actually is. You can't properly define one and when asked about you whine about semantics. So I highly doubt that the people taking those surveys don't even know the difference between a firearm defined as an assault weapon and one that isn't. If the survey asked should semiautomatic handguns and rifles be banned the results would drastically be a overwhelming no.
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Look it up. You've been posting BLURTS continuously, and never once linked to anything. Caution - your NRA brainwashing may be severely challenged.
 
vegas giants said:
Because you can not successfully ban alcohol in a democracy. No democracy has done it. But several have effective gun control
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If it were possible, would you be in favor of it?
 
vegas giants said:
Yes gun control prevents suicides. And let's be clear.....the largest expansion of mental health benefits this country has ever seen is the ACA.


And guess who wants to crush that.


The gop supports suicide
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No..gun control does not prevent suicides.

In fact.. gun control legislation that creates more stigma around mental health.. makes suicide more likely
and the fact that gun control has focused suicide prevention on the firearm.. and not on getting these people healthcare.. has increased the likelihood of suicide.

Obama care did help a small bit with getting mental health benefits. But the system is tremendously broken. YOU are one of the folks that is helping to keep it broken.

You support suicide.
 
Media_Truth said:
See Post #116. The Vermont Red Flag law prevented a mass shooting.
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Potentially, but laws like this also endanger the innocent, as well as being unconstitutional. But the left doesn't care about the Constitution unless it suits their needs.
 
Media_Truth said:
Look it up. You've been posting BLURTS continuously, and never once linked to anything. Caution - your NRA brainwashing may be severely challenged.
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If you can't actually define what is an assault weapon is then what makes you think the five hundred to a thousand people who took the poll can? So the poll is meaningless.
 
RedAkston said:
Potentially, but laws like this also endanger the innocent, as well as being unconstitutional. But the left doesn't care about the Constitution unless it suits their needs.
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You should check history for Constitutional precedence. As early as the late 1700s, gun control was being implemented in cities and states throughout the US. Alabama had an early ban on concealed handguns. Kentucky changed their state constitution, so that their wording differed from Amendment 2, as they implemented gun controls. Western cities and towns didn't allow firearms. As Supreme Court justice Warren Burger said - "The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
 
jamesrage said:
If you can't actually define what is an assault weapon is then what makes you think the five hundred to a thousand people who took the poll can? So the poll is meaningless.
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More quibbling...
 
Bucky said:
The idea that this is a states right issues is ridiculous. If you live in New York, for example, you have five bordering states with different gun laws. A person can just cross state laws and buy guns with less strict rules.

The fact is not all states require a background check to purchase a firearm. This is absolutely a disgrace. A damn background check! We are not talking about an FBI investigation or you to lists all your roommates that past 10 years.

And please, let's put an end to a couple of myths:

1. More guns make us safer.

Complete hogwash. Weak laws + so many firearms easily available is a recipe for gun violence. The number of civilian-owned guns is at historic highs in the United States. Far more than any other country in the world.

2. This is a mental health issue/video games/hate crime/White supremacy issue

EVERY country has people suffering from mental health. Every country has extremists. Every country has violence.

This problem requires legislation and enforcement. Gun supporters need to stop with the lies.
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People want something done to stop gun violence, but heaping up more and more bad or ineffective laws should not be considered necessary just because no laws so far have stopped violent thugs from breaking laws and shooting people.
 
Media_Truth said:
You should check history for Constitutional precedence. As early as the late 1700s, gun control was being implemented in cities and states throughout the US. Alabama had an early ban on concealed handguns. Kentucky changed their state constitution, so that their wording differed from Amendment 2, as they implemented gun controls. Western cities and towns didn't allow firearms. As Supreme Court justice Warren Burger said - "The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
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Red flag laws are absolutely unconstitutional. Taking away someone's 2nd amendment right without a trial is absolutely unconstitutional. What if your right to free speech was taken away because your crazy ex wanted to get back at you? What if your right to vote was taken away because your neighbor didn't like your political views or your favorite NFL team?
 
Media_Truth said:
More quibbling...
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Whining about quibbling doesn't excuse one of deliberately being ignorant. You want to ban something then you should actually know what the **** it is you want banned and what you are talking about.
 
Media_Truth said:
You should check history for Constitutional precedence. As early as the late 1700s, gun control was being implemented in cities and states throughout the US. Alabama had an early ban on concealed handguns.
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There were a few amendments to the Constitution after the "late 1700s. You should look into that.


it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
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Said almost no one, ever. Even the NRA.
 
jamesrage said:
Whining about quibbling doesn't excuse one of deliberately being ignorant. You want to ban something then you should actually know what the **** it is you want banned and what you are talking about.
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This is one of the gun control heroes here on Disqus who has consistently dodged every question I've asked about what makes assault weapons, specifically, more dangerous than other weapons Dems aren't seeking to ban.

And now he's accusing you of quibbling. So precious...hypocrisy at its best.
 
RedAkston said:
Red flag laws are absolutely unconstitutional. Taking away someone's 2nd amendment right without a trial is absolutely unconstitutional. What if your right to free speech was taken away because your crazy ex wanted to get back at you? What if your right to vote was taken away because your neighbor didn't like your political views or your favorite NFL team?
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Your good-ole-boys want Red Flag Laws ---

Trump and Graham support red flag gun legislation in wake of shootings

Sen. Lindsey Graham said Monday he will introduce legislation to help create "red flag" laws to prevent some people from owning guns.

The Republican from South Carolina spoke with reporters Monday evening at the Greenville County Republican Party's second-annual "Washington Night" event, where U.S. Rep. Jeff Duncan and state Lt. Gov. Pamela Evette also addressed members of local Republican organizations from Anderson, Pickens, Laurens and Spartanburg counties as well.

After mass shootings in Texas and Ohio over the weekend that killed more than 30 people, President Donald Trump also voiced support Monday for red-flag laws.

And Free Speech - you're not allowed to falsely yell "fire" in a public building. Common sense. The trouble with the NRA gun toters is they don't believe in common sense. Thwarting mass murders before they are consummated is common sense.
 
Media_Truth said:
Your good-ole-boys want Red Flag Laws ---

Trump and Graham support red flag gun legislation in wake of shootings

Sen. Lindsey Graham said Monday he will introduce legislation to help create "red flag" laws to prevent some people from owning guns.

The Republican from South Carolina spoke with reporters Monday evening at the Greenville County Republican Party's second-annual "Washington Night" event, where U.S. Rep. Jeff Duncan and state Lt. Gov. Pamela Evette also addressed members of local Republican organizations from Anderson, Pickens, Laurens and Spartanburg counties as well.

After mass shootings in Texas and Ohio over the weekend that killed more than 30 people, President Donald Trump also voiced support Monday for red-flag laws.

And Free Speech - you're not allowed to falsely yell "fire" in a public building. Common sense. The trouble with the NRA gun toters is they don't believe in common sense. Thwarting mass murders before they are consummated is common sense.
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"My good-ole-boys"? You don't realize that I'm not a Republican do you? Of course you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid statement.

Red Flag laws are unconstitutional and hopefully this will be brought before the Supreme Court soon so they can be shot down once and for all.

As for free speech, your example was a really piss poor one. Yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater (for example) is far different from one speaking out on an issue they're passionate about, such as gun control. But I did expect the point to go flying over your head and I wasn't disappointed.

Actually the NRA "gun toters" make far more sense than point you're trying to make, and failing miserably I might point out.

Evil people exist and they do evil things. As we can see what Britain has been going through, evil people will use whatever they can to harm or kill others. I could point out countless reasons why gun bans, red flag laws and other ridiculous measures won't work but I get the distinct impression that you don't care because you would rather react based on emotions rather than actual common sense.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, let's require every state to allow it's residents to take a voluntary NICS BGC when the get their valid, state issued, photo IDs issued/renewed. Anyone who passes that NICS BGC gets their ID stamped "GUN OK". After that process is in place (say one year from now) every person not having a valid, state issued, photo ID and possessing a gun can be shot on the spot by police. Just kidding about that last part, but now that I have your attention, it would allow "prohibited persons" to be arrested and convicted of a "gun crime" long before they committed any act of violence with a gun.
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So you prefer mass murderers use bombs, arson, poisons and aircraft/drones instead of 22 caliber rifles.

Why? Why do you your messages essentially prefer that mentally disturbed mass murderers instead mass attack people in a school, WalMart, at a street festival, concert or other large gatherings with bombs?
 
joko104 said:
So you prefer mass murderers use bombs, arson, poisons and aircraft/drones instead of 22 caliber rifles.

Why? Why do you your messages essentially prefer that mentally disturbed mass murderers instead mass attack people in a school, WalMart, at a street festival, concert or other large gatherings with bombs?
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WTF? WHat makes you assume that "mentally disturbed mass murderers" would merely be on some NICS watch list and allowed to roam freely among us? If that is the case, then perhaps that is the problem which should be addressed.
 
Tlrmln said:
This is one of the gun control heroes here on Disqus who has consistently dodged every question I've asked about what makes assault weapons, specifically, more dangerous than other weapons Dems aren't seeking to ban.

And now he's accusing you of quibbling. So precious...hypocrisy at its best.
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Most of those calling for an assault weapons ban are really wanting a ban on all semiautomatic firearms and in some cases revolver firearms as well. They can't outright say they want a ban on semiautomatic firearms because that would ensure republican victories for years to come so they hide behind the term assault weapons ban.
 
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