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[W:92] Federal legislation is needed to stop gun violence

The idea that this is a states right issues is ridiculous. If you live in New York, for example, you have five bordering states with different gun laws. A person can just cross state laws and buy guns with less strict rules.

The fact is not all states require a background check to purchase a firearm. This is absolutely a disgrace. A damn background check! We are not talking about an FBI investigation or you to lists all your roommates that past 10 years.

And please, let's put an end to a couple of myths:

1. More guns make us safer.

Complete hogwash. Weak laws + so many firearms easily available is a recipe for gun violence. The number of civilian-owned guns is at historic highs in the United States. Far more than any other country in the world.

2. This is a mental health issue/video games/hate crime/White supremacy issue

EVERY country has people suffering from mental health. Every country has extremists. Every country has violence.

This problem requires legislation and enforcement. Gun supporters need to stop with the lies.

speculative nonsense. The federal government does not have the proper power-via the already expanded way past its intent-commerce clause, to require private citizens-engaging ONLY IN INTRASTATE second hand sales-to require background checks.


The Brady bill-did nothing to stem violence

The clinton gun ban-did nothing to stem violence

The Hughes Amendment-did nothing to stem violence.

Why do you think federal laws will now?
 
1. Pass a law requiring gun owners to lock up their guns. 80% of school shootings were by kids who stole a relative's gun.

2. Teach coping skills to pre-high school aged kids. All these shooters have some kind of traumatic child hood event, usually bullying.

3. Restrict magazine size to 20 rounds. Shooters tend to use 30 round clips up to 100 round drums.

4. Make it where friends, relatives, coworkers can't get into trouble if they report a shooter to authorities. Everyone close to these shooters suspected something bad was going to happen.

5. Remove HIPPA restrictions when it comes to background checks. If you're nutts, it's not protected information when it comes to background checks.

6. Gun restraining orders. If your friends, families, coworkers think you're a threat, and they can convince a judge, a restraining order is issued and you can't be within a 100 yards of a gun.

that's idiotic. and why does the government have a proper power to do this.

if someone knows what they tell their doctor can be used to disarm them-why would they see a doctor when they are still rational enough to understand that?
 
Even the president just said he wants "meaningful" background checks and wants to prevent sick people from getting guns.

So you must think the president is stupid, correct?

Politicians pander-it is what they do. Trump is pandering to yapping emotobabblers who want SOMETHING done.
 
We had good legislation in 1994. Remember the assault weapons ban. How did that get enacted despite the second amendment?

Because the GOP loved using it against the dems for an election resource and it sunset before the supreme court would have had a chance to hear it. it was clearly unconstitutional but Heller had not been decided yet
 
The idea that this is a states right issues is ridiculous. If you live in New York, for example, you have five bordering states with different gun laws. A person can just cross state laws and buy guns with less strict rules.

The fact is not all states require a background check to purchase a firearm. This is absolutely a disgrace. A damn background check! We are not talking about an FBI investigation or you to lists all your roommates that past 10 years.

And please, let's put an end to a couple of myths:

1. More guns make us safer.

Complete hogwash. Weak laws + so many firearms easily available is a recipe for gun violence. The number of civilian-owned guns is at historic highs in the United States. Far more than any other country in the world.

2. This is a mental health issue/video games/hate crime/White supremacy issue

EVERY country has people suffering from mental health. Every country has extremists. Every country has violence.

This problem requires legislation and enforcement. Gun supporters need to stop with the lies.

There are no laws you can pass that will stop gun violence.
 
There are no laws you can pass that will stop gun violence.

but they can pat themselves on the back and claim they DID SOMETHING
 
They would reduce gun deaths. Just look at any place with low gun deaths and see how they do it

The question is: Is it worth it? Perhaps all those gun deaths are the price of freedom?
 
I would venture a guess that more people die from other type guns that "assault rifles / AK 47 in the USA. It is the mass murders that gets the more attention. So would banning the AK really solve the murder by a firearm issue? As far as background checks, it is only as good as the day the person has the check done. Who knows after that if a person snaps and goes on a killing spree.
 
Wow. Freedom to die

It's apparently worth it for the freedom to drink alcohol. 90,000 deaths per year, as opposed to 40,000 attributable to firearms.

Do you disagree?
 
The idea that this is a states right issues is ridiculous. If you live in New York, for example, you have five bordering states with different gun laws. A person can just cross state laws and buy guns with less strict rules.

The fact is not all states require a background check to purchase a firearm. This is absolutely a disgrace. A damn background check! We are not talking about an FBI investigation or you to lists all your roommates that past 10 years.

And please, let's put an end to a couple of myths:

1. More guns make us safer.

Complete hogwash. Weak laws + so many firearms easily available is a recipe for gun violence. The number of civilian-owned guns is at historic highs in the United States. Far more than any other country in the world.

2. This is a mental health issue/video games/hate crime/White supremacy issue

EVERY country has people suffering from mental health. Every country has extremists. Every country has violence.

This problem requires legislation and enforcement. Gun supporters need to stop with the lies.

There is a third myth also, and it's important. Former Supreme Court Justice Warren Burger spelled it out --->

"The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
 
It's apparently worth it for the freedom to drink alcohol. 90,000 deaths per year, as opposed to 40,000 attributable to firearms.

Do you disagree?

Because you can not successfully ban alcohol in a democracy. No democracy has done it. But several have effective gun control
 
The idea that this is a states right issues is ridiculous. If you live in New York, for example, you have five bordering states with different gun laws. A person can just cross state laws and buy guns with less strict rules.

The fact is not all states require a background check to purchase a firearm. This is absolutely a disgrace. A damn background check! We are not talking about an FBI investigation or you to lists all your roommates that past 10 years.

And please, let's put an end to a couple of myths:

1. More guns make us safer.

Complete hogwash. Weak laws + so many firearms easily available is a recipe for gun violence. The number of civilian-owned guns is at historic highs in the United States. Far more than any other country in the world.

2. This is a mental health issue/video games/hate crime/White supremacy issue

EVERY country has people suffering from mental health. Every country has extremists. Every country has violence.

This problem requires legislation and enforcement. Gun supporters need to stop with the lies.
What "weak laws"? Guns are the most tightly regulated commodities in the country. There are VERY FEW, and I emphasis VERY FEW gun sales that DON'T entail a background check. ALL the guns used in the past three or four mass shootings WERE background checked. Every gun sale done by a legal gun retailer in the entire United States is required to be based on a background check as is every interstate sale.
 
What "weak laws"? Guns are the most tightly regulated commodities in the country. There are VERY FEW, and I emphasis VERY FEW gun sales that DON'T entail a background check. ALL the guns used in the past three or four mass shootings WERE background checked. Every gun sale done by a legal gun retailer in the entire United States is required to be based on a background check as is every interstate sale.

We have the most lax gun laws in the developed world...by far
 
The idea that this is a states right issues is ridiculous. If you live in New York, for example, you have five bordering states with different gun laws. A person can just cross state laws and buy guns with less strict rules.

The fact is not all states require a background check to purchase a firearm. This is absolutely a disgrace. A damn background check! We are not talking about an FBI investigation or you to lists all your roommates that past 10 years.

And please, let's put an end to a couple of myths:

1. More guns make us safer.

Complete hogwash. Weak laws + so many firearms easily available is a recipe for gun violence. The number of civilian-owned guns is at historic highs in the United States. Far more than any other country in the world.

2. This is a mental health issue/video games/hate crime/White supremacy issue

EVERY country has people suffering from mental health. Every country has extremists. Every country has violence.

This problem requires legislation and enforcement. Gun supporters need to stop with the lies.

You know nothing of NYS gun laws.
Counties have their own regulations. NYC requires additional permits.

I had to take a gun safety class, file an application for permit with the county sheriff, go through a background check before securing my permit. All guns purchased on line or out of state has to be registered with the state.
All guns purchased have to include a trigger lock.
Securing a concealed carry permit is difficult.
I went one step further and purchased a safe and went through fire arm training.

Let’s see what did you say about brainwashed NRA people? 😮
 
You know nothing of NYS gun laws.
Counties have their own regulations. NYC requires additional permits.

I had to take a gun safety class, file an application for permit with the county sheriff, go through a background check before securing my permit. All guns purchased on line or out of state has to be registered with the state.
All guns purchased have to include a trigger lock.
Securing a concealed carry permit is difficult.
I went one step further and purchased a safe and went through fire arm training.

Let’s see what did you say about brainwashed NRA people? ��

It would be great if all states adopted such strict gun laws. New York has also banned assault-style weapons, right?
 
It would be great if all states adopted such strict gun laws. New York has also banned assault-style weapons, right?

why-there is no proof that those laws have any purpose other than to harass honest gun owners. NY also proves that the scum who pass such laws keep trying to increase the harassment on the law abiding.
 
speculative nonsense. The federal government does not have the proper power-via the already expanded way past its intent-commerce clause, to require private citizens-engaging ONLY IN INTRASTATE second hand sales-to require background checks.


The Brady bill-did nothing to stem violence

The clinton gun ban-did nothing to stem violence

The Hughes Amendment-did nothing to stem violence.

Why do you think federal laws will now?

Once again, you are wrong.

Evidence shows assaults weapons kill more people than shootings with just a regular gun. These killers may be mentally unstable but they choose ar weapons for a reason - inflict mass casualties, not having to stop and reload.

So average joe responsible gun owner with his Glock will have an easier time stopping a bad guy with a gun similar to his rather than a military-style gun.

1994 assault weapons ban was good legislation but the times have changed. School shootings are on a different level now. 25 years we need a new modern assault weapons ban. This isn't rocket science. I'm right, you're wrong, now shut up!
 
It would be great if all states adopted such strict gun laws. New York has also banned assault-style weapons, right?

It may not happen in all states, but if Trump continues to fuel fires and incite the mentally ill and radicals to commit more 'El Pasos'....there is a good possibility that more states will indeed ban certain weapons and tighten up background searches.
 
why-there is no proof that those laws have any purpose other than to harass honest gun owners. NY also proves that the scum who pass such laws keep trying to increase the harassment on the law abiding.

You need to get through your thick skull we need to reduce the number of military-style guns and assault weapons.

We need sweeping action. Ban barrels, ban firing mechanisms. It is too easy to obtain the party to make an ar-15.
 
You need to get through your thick skull is we need to reduce the number of military-style guns and assault weapons.

We need sweeping action. Ban barrels, ban firing mechanisms. It is too easy to obtain the party to make an ar-15.

what is a military style gun-I tire of hysterical calls to infringe on our rights by people who have no clue what they are talking about.

Your stupid pipe dream is just that and the way 3D printing is going, you all are going to be powerless to stop Americans arming themselves.

The only assault is see is the idiotic statements anti gun hysterics make contrary to the truth
 
Once again, you are wrong.

Evidence shows assaults weapons kill more people than shootings with just a regular gun. These killers may be mentally unstable but they choose ar weapons for a reason - inflict mass casualties, not having to stop and reload.

So average joe responsible gun owner with his Glock will have an easier time stopping a bad guy with a gun similar to his rather than a military-style gun.

1994 assault weapons ban was good legislation but the times have changed. School shootings are on a different level now. 25 years we need a new modern assault weapons ban. This isn't rocket science. I'm right, you're wrong, now shut up!

you're lying and you prove time and time again, that you know nothing about this subject. Nutcases choose these guns for two reasons

1) the AR 15 is by far the most popular rifle in America, and every time the hysterics yap about banning it-several more million are sold. Just as Chevies and Fords feature more in drunk driving deaths than Lotuses or FIATS, AR 15s are chosen more than similar rifles that work exactly the same such as the SIG MCX or the Beretta AR70

2) you gun banners-especially those in the press and public office-continually tell the nutcases that AR 15s are the weapons of choice for mass murderers and those nutcases tend to believe you. BTW Fort Hood, Luby's of Texas and VT didn't involve rifles. NOR DID THE DAYTON shooter.
 
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