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    What is more important to you, life or guns?

    Every heard the of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in the Declaration of Independence. I find it interesting that as part of our God given rights, life comes before liberty and happiness. In our country that is no longer true. Life seems to come after guns. To so many Americans the loss of life is just what people have to pay so they can have all and any type of guns they want. Some on this board actually believe that the weapons they should be able to own include something like the M259 Saw, a weapon that is fully automatic and can put out up to 800 rounds per minute. Just think how many lives would have been lost if the Dayton or El Paso shooter would have been able to buy that kind of weapon at any gun shop? I come from a military family and none of my family think that the public should be able to buy military weapons. I think we ought to change the Declaration to say instead of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" to "semiautomatics rifles, automatic pistols and body armor". Doesn't have the same punch, but is more closely in tune with modern day America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Every heard the of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in the Declaration of Independence. I find it interesting that as part of our God given rights, life comes before liberty and happiness. In our country that is no longer true. Life seems to come after guns. To so many Americans the loss of life is just what people have to pay so they can have all and any type of guns they want. Some on this board actually believe that the weapons they should be able to own include something like the M259 Saw, a weapon that is fully automatic and can put out up to 800 rounds per minute. Just think how many lives would have been lost if the Dayton or El Paso shooter would have been able to buy that kind of weapon at any gun shop? I come from a military family and none of my family think that the public should be able to buy military weapons. I think we ought to change the Declaration to say instead of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" to "semiautomatics rifles, automatic pistols and body armor". Doesn't have the same punch, but is more closely in tune with modern day America.
    Well if your family thinks so that is good enough for me.

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    Re: What is more important to you, life or guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Well if your family thinks so that is good enough for me.

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    Of course you did not answer the question, life or guns? It seems at this time in this country that is your choice? Is he loss of life okay with you so you can have guns?

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    Re: What is more important to you, life or guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Every heard the of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in the Declaration of Independence. I find it interesting that as part of our God given rights, life comes before liberty and happiness. In our country that is no longer true. Life seems to come after guns. To so many Americans the loss of life is just what people have to pay so they can have all and any type of guns they want. Some on this board actually believe that the weapons they should be able to own include something like the M259 Saw, a weapon that is fully automatic and can put out up to 800 rounds per minute. Just think how many lives would have been lost if the Dayton or El Paso shooter would have been able to buy that kind of weapon at any gun shop? I come from a military family and none of my family think that the public should be able to buy military weapons. I think we ought to change the Declaration to say instead of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" to "semiautomatics rifles, automatic pistols and body armor". Doesn't have the same punch, but is more closely in tune with modern day America.
    who cares what your family thinks. Means nothing to me-my Nephew is about to get his LtC promotion after years in the Rangers and then 10 years in the Special Forces. He thinks any firearm that one can reasonable bear (carry) is clearly protected by the second amendment. Most of us who actually understand that the second amendment is a bar on federal action, do too. This silly thread appears to be another rant about gun ownership.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: What is more important to you, life or guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Of course you did not answer the question, life or guns? It seems at this time in this country that is your choice? Is he loss of life okay with you so you can have guns?
    That is a stupid dichotomy. Would you be willing to give up your life to try to take guns from someone? is that what you are asking? or are you asking if someone would die defending their rights? Since you cannot use a firearm when you are dead-the choice you ask is really pretty stupid. Maybe you should clarify what you are asking a bit more clearly?
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: What is more important to you, life or guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Every heard the of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in the Declaration of Independence. I find it interesting that as part of our God given rights, life comes before liberty and happiness. In our country that is no longer true. Life seems to come after guns. To so many Americans the loss of life is just what people have to pay so they can have all and any type of guns they want. Some on this board actually believe that the weapons they should be able to own include something like the M259 Saw, a weapon that is fully automatic and can put out up to 800 rounds per minute. Just think how many lives would have been lost if the Dayton or El Paso shooter would have been able to buy that kind of weapon at any gun shop? I come from a military family and none of my family think that the public should be able to buy military weapons. I think we ought to change the Declaration to say instead of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" to "semiautomatics rifles, automatic pistols and body armor". Doesn't have the same punch, but is more closely in tune with modern day America.
    What? Implying something? Why not just come out and say so?

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    Re: What is more important to you, life or guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Every heard the of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in the Declaration of Independence. I find it interesting that as part of our God given rights, life comes before liberty and happiness. In our country that is no longer true. Life seems to come after guns. To so many Americans the loss of life is just what people have to pay so they can have all and any type of guns they want. Some on this board actually believe that the weapons they should be able to own include something like the M259 Saw, a weapon that is fully automatic and can put out up to 800 rounds per minute. Just think how many lives would have been lost if the Dayton or El Paso shooter would have been able to buy that kind of weapon at any gun shop? I come from a military family and none of my family think that the public should be able to buy military weapons. I think we ought to change the Declaration to say instead of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" to "semiautomatics rifles, automatic pistols and body armor". Doesn't have the same punch, but is more closely in tune with modern day America.
    Not an either/or situation for a vast, vast, vast percentage of the population. "Those that would give up liberty for temporary security deserve neither" or words to that effect.
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    Re: What is more important to you, life or guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Of course you did not answer the question, life or guns? It seems at this time in this country that is your choice? Is he loss of life okay with you so you can have guns?
    The problem with that, independentusa, is that is an emotional argument that does not hold up to scrutiny at all when you apply the same argument to any given right.

    For example:

    Is the loss of life okay with you so that we can have freedom of speech?

    Is the loss of life okay with you so that people can exercise their right to vote?

    Is the loss of life okay with you so that we may maintain the right to trial by jury?

    If, in some contrived situation, you had to bear the loss of the lives of your family members in order to preserve any of the above rights, which of these rights would you choose to keep knowing that your family would all be killed? Which would you sacrifice in order to save your family?
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    Re: What is more important to you, life or guns?

    For most gun owners, guns are much more important than other's lives. Turtle is your perfect example.

    I would put life above firearms but that's me.
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    Re: What is more important to you, life or guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    For most gun owners, guns are much more important than other's lives. Turtle is your perfect example.

    I would put life above firearms but that's me.
    Would you tell me, bongsaway, which other rights and freedoms would you be willing to do away with entirely within our society in order to protect your own life or the lives of others? The right to free speech? The right to vote? The right to trial by jury? Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure?

    If every member of your family and circle of friends' necks were on a chopping block, and you had to choose between watching them all be bloodily executed and preserving these rights, or preserving their lives and seeing these rights done away with, how would you choose?
    Last edited by Felis Leo; 08-10-19 at 11:58 PM.
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