Connecticut Hand Gun Licensing Success Story

[Media_Truth]

Who says a National Gun Registration can't work?

Connecticut Handgun Licensing Law Associated With 40 Percent Drop in Gun Homicides - 2015 - News Releases - News - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

A 1995 Connecticut law requiring a permit or license – contingent on passing a background check – in order to purchase a handgun was associated with a 40 percent reduction in the state’s firearm-related homicide rate, new research suggests.
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The Connecticut law requires all prospective handgun purchasers to apply for a permit in person with the local police regardless of whether the seller of the handgun is a licensed dealer or private seller. It also raised the handgun purchasing age from 18 to 21 years and required prospective purchasers to complete at least eight hours of approved handgun safety training.
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“Taken together, these studies provide compelling evidence that permit to purchase licensing systems is one of the most effective policies we have to reduce gun violence,” Webster says.

 

[Lutherf]

First, it's a Bloomberg study.

Second, the people doing the studying created some hairball projection of what they would have expected the homicide rate to be to what it actually was.

Third, while there is a bell curve in homicides which peaked in 1994 the rates never got back down to where they were in the 1960s....before the registration law.
Connecticut Crime Rates 1960 - 2017

If the registration law helped AFTER 1995 then why was the homicide rate lower back when you could order firearms from the Sears catalog and have them dropped off at your front door?

 

[KevinKohler]

Who says a National Gun Registration can't work?

Connecticut Handgun Licensing Law Associated With 40 Percent Drop in Gun Homicides - 2015 - News Releases - News - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

A 1995 Connecticut law requiring a permit or license – contingent on passing a background check – in order to purchase a handgun was associated with a 40 percent reduction in the state’s firearm-related homicide rate, new research suggests.
...
The Connecticut law requires all prospective handgun purchasers to apply for a permit in person with the local police regardless of whether the seller of the handgun is a licensed dealer or private seller. It also raised the handgun purchasing age from 18 to 21 years and required prospective purchasers to complete at least eight hours of approved handgun safety training.
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“Taken together, these studies provide compelling evidence that permit to purchase licensing systems is one of the most effective policies we have to reduce gun violence,” Webster says.

New Haven was once the murder capital of the US. It has now become a modern metropolis, and not the poverty ridden, crime riddled city it was 10 years ago. Gun laws didn't cause this. Community reinvestment did.

 

[Media_Truth]

New Haven was once the murder capital of the US. It has now become a modern metropolis, and not the poverty ridden, crime riddled city it was 10 years ago. Gun laws didn't cause this. Community reinvestment did.

Those stats are for the entire state, not just New Haven.

 

[Media_Truth]

First, it's a Bloomberg study.

Second, the people doing the studying created some hairball projection of what they would have expected the homicide rate to be to what it actually was.

Third, while there is a bell curve in homicides which peaked in 1994 the rates never got back down to where they were in the 1960s....before the registration law.
Connecticut Crime Rates 1960 - 2017

If the registration law helped AFTER 1995 then why was the homicide rate lower back when you could order firearms from the Sears catalog and have them dropped off at your front door?

From your data, murder rates are way down after 2000, despite population increases.

 

[KevinKohler]

Those stats are for the entire state, not just New Haven.

New Haven heavily threw those stats.

 

[Media_Truth]

New Haven heavily threw those stats.

Don't know. I haven't seen such statistics, and you offered no link. Nonetheless, if investment in modernization is a deterrent to gun murders, then Chicago should be way down. They have invested huge sums of money into their inner-city.

 

[TurtleDude]

New Haven was once the murder capital of the US. It has now become a modern metropolis, and not the poverty ridden, crime riddled city it was 10 years ago. Gun laws didn't cause this. Community reinvestment did.

right you are, I lived there in the latter part of the seventies and the first part of the 80s. Gun control nonsense had nothing to do with it

 

[Noodlegawd]

Ugh. I don't know why I have to keep doing this, but...

.........1995....2014.....ratio
CT.......4.6.......2.5.....1.84
US.......8.2.......4.4.....1.86

So in other words, the decrease in the murder rate in CT over the relevant time period was identical to the decrease nationwide.

 

[Media_Truth]

Ugh. I don't know why I have to keep doing this, but...

.........1995....2014.....ratio
CT.......4.6.......2.5.....1.84
US.......8.2.......4.4.....1.86

So in other words, the decrease in the murder rate in CT over the relevant time period was identical to the decrease nationwide.

Just like your buddy --->
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It's best to average over a number of years, to get the most representative reductions. Similar efforts can be done with 5-year averages.

Murder Rate Average of 1994-1996: Connecticut: 174, United States: 21,530
Murder Rate Average of 2014-2016: Connecticut: 95, United States: 15,820

Connecticut's average 2015 murder rate is 55% of the average 1995 totals.
United States average 2015 murder rate is 73% of the average 1995 totals.

 

[KevinKohler]

Just like your buddy --->
View attachment 67260200

It's best to average over a number of years, to get the most representative reductions. Similar efforts can be done with 5-year averages.

Murder Rate Average of 1994-1996: Connecticut: 174, United States: 21,530
Murder Rate Average of 2014-2016: Connecticut: 95, United States: 15,820

Connecticut's average 2015 murder rate is 55% of the average 1995 totals.
United States average 2015 murder rate is 73% of the average 1995 totals.

Because the rest of the country didn't have the murder capital of the nation in it, that has since been addressed.

As to your other question, I don't know why reinvestment didn't work in Chicago. I just know it worked in new haven. Total number of guns and gun ownership in CT has gone up, not down.

Food for thought.

 

[vegas giants]

Who says a National Gun Registration can't work?

Connecticut Handgun Licensing Law Associated With 40 Percent Drop in Gun Homicides - 2015 - News Releases - News - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

A 1995 Connecticut law requiring a permit or license – contingent on passing a background check – in order to purchase a handgun was associated with a 40 percent reduction in the state’s firearm-related homicide rate, new research suggests.
...
The Connecticut law requires all prospective handgun purchasers to apply for a permit in person with the local police regardless of whether the seller of the handgun is a licensed dealer or private seller. It also raised the handgun purchasing age from 18 to 21 years and required prospective purchasers to complete at least eight hours of approved handgun safety training.
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“Taken together, these studies provide compelling evidence that permit to purchase licensing systems is one of the most effective policies we have to reduce gun violence,” Webster says.

But but but then I might have to fill out a form!!!!!

 

[vegas giants]

Because the rest of the country didn't have the murder capital of the nation in it, that has since been addressed.

As to your other question, I don't know why reinvestment didn't work in Chicago. I just know it worked in new haven. Total number of guns and gun ownership in CT has gone up, not down.

Food for thought.

Gun control played a part on their success.

 

[KevinKohler]

Gun control played a part on their success.

Minor. A more revealing static is to review ALL crime with that same time period, not just gun crime. You will see it follows the same curve.

You wanna fight gun crime, you have to address attack the REASON it occurs. Namely, culture and poverty.

 

[vegas giants]

Minor. A more revealing static is to review ALL crime with that same time period, not just gun crime. You will see it follows the same curve.

You wanna fight gun crime, you have to address attack the REASON it occurs. Namely, culture and poverty.

Name a large city or country with low crime and lax gun laws.

 

[KevinKohler]

Name a large city or country with low crime and lax gun laws.

Houston.

 

[vegas giants]

Houston.

With a*crime rate*of 54 per one thousand residents,*Houston*has one of the highest*crime rates*in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property*crime*here is one in 19.

 

[KevinKohler]

With a*crime rate*of 54 per one thousand residents,*Houston*has one of the highest*crime rates*in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property*crime*here is one in 19.

Hmmm....I seem to have my cities mixed up. Dallas? I thought it was in Texas...give me a minute, I gotta Google some.

 

[KevinKohler]

Found it...


10 Safest & Most Dangerous Metro Cities in America | SafeWise

 

[vegas giants]

Found it...


10 Safest & Most Dangerous Metro Cities in America | SafeWise

No big cities that have lax gun laws there

 

[KevinKohler]

No big cities that have lax gun laws there

Uh...define lax gun laws, then? Some of those unsafe cities have very tight gun laws, some of the safe ones don't. If you care to read, the general consensus is that median household income, ie, economics, has a far greater role in making a city safe or not.

Read the link.

 

[vegas giants]

Uh...define lax gun laws, then? Some of those unsafe cities have very tight gun laws, some of the safe ones don't. If you care to read, the general consensus is that median household income, ie, economics, has a far greater role in making a city safe or not.

Read the link.

I refer you to the Harvard school of public injury which has dozens of studies on gun control.


NYC is the largest city in America and has very low crime per capita. And extensive gun control.

Now take states....states with the highest gun deaths almost all have lax gun control. And the opposite is also true

 

[KevinKohler]

I refer you to the Harvard school of public injury which has dozens of studies on gun control.


NYC is the largest city in America and has very low crime per capita. And extensive gun control.

Now take states....states with the highest gun deaths almost all have lax gun control. And the opposite is also true

Corelation =/= causation.

NYC is also the wealthiest city in the US. Compare that to Chicago and Detroit, but with very strict gun laws, both with high crime.

Think about it. What makes a person into a criminal? Gun ownership? No, its a tool.

If I handed out ohm meters nationwide, would we all the sudden have more electricians? Nope. If I handed out tow rod end pallets, would we suddenly have more people taking care of their own car suspension? Nope.

Means, motive, and opportunity. If Detroit and Chicago want to deal with their crime issue, they need to deal with their poverty issue, first and foremost.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Just like your buddy --->
View attachment 67260200

It's best to average over a number of years, to get the most representative reductions. Similar efforts can be done with 5-year averages.

Murder Rate Average of 1994-1996: Connecticut: 174, United States: 21,530
Murder Rate Average of 2014-2016: Connecticut: 95, United States: 15,820

Connecticut's average 2015 murder rate is 55% of the average 1995 totals.
United States average 2015 murder rate is 73% of the average 1995 totals.

The numbers you put up there are not murder rates, and one of the years in your first line is the year AFTER the CT law in question was passed. Also, the three "before" years you cherry-picked for CT just happen to include 2 years with an unusual spike.

If you really want to average things out, then compare the 10 years before the CT law was passed (85-94), with the most recent 10 years (2008-2017). If you do that, then the CT murder rates for the after period are 57% of the before period. For the US as a whole, the result is 55%.

 

[Noodlegawd]

I refer you to the Harvard school of public injury which has dozens of studies on gun control.


NYC is the largest city in America and has very low crime per capita. And extensive gun control.

Now take states....states with the highest gun deaths almost all have lax gun control. And the opposite is also true

There are plenty of big cities with "lax gun control" and murder rates lower than or equal to NYC's.

2 of the 10 ten states with the highest murder rates are Maryland and Illinois, and it just so happens that only 20% of states in the US have what anyone would call "strict" gun control.

And only 1 of the ten states with the lowest murder rates is one of the 20% with strict gun laws.