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Stricter gun laws tied to fewer childhood gun deaths

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this study is no surprise. guns are not like alcohol, sex, or driving. those are things more essential for human behavior and things worth doing, even if it meant breaking the law. a lot of people do not have a curiosity or instinct to shoot a gun. there are a lot more easier and safer outlets a person can do besides going to the range or hunt.
 
Bucky said:
this study is no surprise. guns are not like alcohol, sex, or driving. those are things more essential for human behavior and things worth doing, even if it meant breaking the law. a lot of people do not have a curiosity or instinct to shoot a gun. there are a lot more easier and safer outlets a person can do besides going to the range or hunt.
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Please point to a law that REQUIRES you to own a gun?

Your position is meaningless. People already have the choice to own or not to own, no one is forced to do so.

Thus if one chooses not to in favor of your list of "worthwhile doings," then fine and dandy.

However, someone might choose to own a gun because they consider things one can do (hunting, competitive shooting, collecting) or simply for good old self-defense "worthwhile doings." Who are YOU to say they are not worthwhile endeavors?

Your appeal to emotion notwithstanding, telling OTHER people what they should consider "worthwhile doings" is a bit presumptuous don't you think?
 
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Bucky said:
this study is no surprise. guns are not like alcohol, sex, or driving. those are things more essential for human behavior and things worth doing, even if it meant breaking the law. a lot of people do not have a curiosity or instinct to shoot a gun. there are a lot more easier and safer outlets a person can do besides going to the range or hunt.
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I don't see a study. I cannot believe that mankind was able to exist for over ten thousand years without a car to drive. and I and many others don't drink alcohol. Any other wrong things you want to post?
 
Bucky said:
this study is no surprise. guns are not like alcohol, sex, or driving. those are things more essential for human behavior and things worth doing, even if it meant breaking the law. a lot of people do not have a curiosity or instinct to shoot a gun. there are a lot more easier and safer outlets a person can do besides going to the range or hunt.
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I agree. The world is a safer place if small, weak males and females are not able to protect themselves. Its better if only the government has guns, we can trust them.
 
Bucky said:
this study is no surprise. guns are not like alcohol, sex, or driving. those are things more essential for human behavior and things worth doing, even if it meant breaking the law. a lot of people do not have a curiosity or instinct to shoot a gun. there are a lot more easier and safer outlets a person can do besides going to the range or hunt.
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The study doesn't indicate that stricter gun laws result in fewer childhood gun deaths. It just indicates that there are fewer childhood gun deaths in states with stricter gun laws, which also happen to be states with fewer guns because people who don't own guns tend to not care about strict gun laws and vote accordingly.

Correlation is not causation.
 
Tlrmln said:
The study doesn't indicate that stricter gun laws result in fewer childhood gun deaths. It just indicates that there are fewer childhood gun deaths in states with stricter gun laws, which also happen to be states with fewer guns because people who don't own guns tend to not care about strict gun laws and vote accordingly.

Correlation is not causation.
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umm isn't that the same thing?
 
Bucky said:
here you go

Tougher Gun Laws Do Mean Fewer American Kids Die, Study Shows - Bloomberg
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The guy who sponsored that nonsense is a hard core bannerrhoid


The researchers weren’t able to show that implementing stricter gun laws would directly lead to fewer pediatric gun-related deaths since they didn’t compare states before and after new regulations were put in place. What they did find was that those states that already had strict laws—jurisdictions that might differ in other significant ways from states with lax gun laws—had fewer deaths.






Bloomberg? LOL
 
Tlrmln said:
The study doesn't indicate that stricter gun laws result in fewer childhood gun deaths. It just indicates that there are fewer childhood gun deaths in states with stricter gun laws, which also happen to be states with fewer guns because people who don't own guns tend to not care about strict gun laws and vote accordingly.

Correlation is not causation.
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In the last 25 years, millions upon millions of more guns have been bought by Americans and the rate of children dying from gunshots has decreased.
 
from the Bloomberg propaganda

n all, there were 21,241 deaths among children and young adults under the age of 21 during the five-year period. The majority of the deaths, 62%, were assaults, followed by suicides. Most occurred among males, and two-thirds were aged 18 to 21 years old.

Those are adults sports fans. The average age of a Vietnam infantry soldier was 19.
 
More people die from alcohol, drugs and unprotected sex than guns.
 
From the article:

In all, there were 21,241 deaths among children and young adults under the age of 21 during the five-year period. The majority of the deaths, 62%, were assaults, followed by suicides. Most occurred among males, and two-thirds were aged 18 to 21 years old.

18 to 21 is childhood? Just with that the "Study" is worthless!!
 
And it gets worst they say that identification measures like microstamping weapons found overall deaths from firearms fell .

That's not true!


Maryland's 15-year-old ballistic fingerprinting law was a tantalizing idea that didn't work. It would doubtless be useful if police could pick up a shell casing at a crime scene and discover with a few clicks of a computer what gun it came from and who the gun's last known owner was. But the technology proved unreliable and the bureaucratic machinery needed to support it unwieldy. The General Assembly's decision to scrap it was probably several years overdue.

Better bullet fingerprinting - Baltimore Sun



Scrapped: Maryland ends bullet ID program after 15 years, $5M and zero cases solved
Scrapped: Maryland ends bullet ID program after 15 years, $5M and zero cases solved | Fox News

State authorities have conceded that the bullet ID program, enacted in 2000, cost $5 million, was plagued by technical problems and did not solve a single crime. Now, the 300,000 shell casings, one from every handgun sold in the state since the law took effect, will now be sold for scrap metal.
 
Thingfish said:
More people die from alcohol, drugs and unprotected sex than guns.
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Gun banners really aren't about saving lives. They aren't about reducing violent crime. they are about punishing gun owners for how they think gun owners vote, and (for the politicians) pandering to low wattage voters who are stupid enough to think that passing gun control laws will stop people who ignore far more serious penalties for far more serious crimes.
 
Bucky said:
this study is no surprise. guns are not like alcohol, sex, or driving. those are things more essential for human behavior and things worth doing, even if it meant breaking the law. a lot of people do not have a curiosity or instinct to shoot a gun. there are a lot more easier and safer outlets a person can do besides going to the range or hunt.
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Ammosexuals do not care what is in the best interest of children. Its gun first....always and forever
 
vegas giants said:
Ammosexuals do not care what is in the best interest of children. Its gun first....always and forever
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Most gun supporters that hang out in this thread are intense ammosexuals.
 
vegas giants said:
Ammosexuals do not care what is in the best interest of children. Its gun first....always and forever
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Far more innocent children are killed in automobile accidents than in gun accidents or homicides. If you really care so much about "the best interests of children," can you please direct me to where you advocate for dramatically stricter driving laws? I'll be sure to support you there.
 
Tlrmln said:
Far more innocent children are killed in automobile accidents than in gun accidents or homicides. If you really care so much about "the best interests of children," can you please direct me to where you advocate for dramatically stricter driving laws? I'll be sure to support you there.
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Tell me one person that doesn't advocate for stricter driving laws???

Our country and many businesses are taking steps to reduce automobile fatalities. You have the growth of ride-sharing companies, the promotion of AI and self-driving cars, safer cars, etc...

What exactly is being done to reduce gun violence sir????
 
vegas giants said:
Ammosexuals do not care what is in the best interest of children. Its gun first....always and forever
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Yawn... and you say you are gun owner. Please.

"ammosexuals"...

In other words.. gun owners that know the facts.. which are the while firearms in America went up.. accidents with firearms went down.

As firearm sales skyrocketed.. violent crime went down.

That of course more guns.. equals more "gun deaths"... because obviously.. a society that has firearms..is more likely to have firerarms deaths.. than one that has no firearms. Just like a society with bicycles will have more bike accidents.. than a society that does not have bicycles.

That's why its more important to look at better statistics.. like violent crime etc. And what we find is that the US has more guns.. but is just as safe or safer when it comes to violent crime etc.. than other countries.
 
Bucky said:
Tell me one person that doesn't advocate for stricter driving laws???

Our country and many businesses are taking steps to reduce automobile fatalities. You have the growth of ride-sharing companies, the promotion of AI and self-driving cars, safer cars, etc...

What exactly is being done to reduce gun violence sir????
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Oh please. How about all the people that advocate for or applaud the steady increase in our speed limits? How about all the people who advocate for making it a felony to own an 11-round pistol magazine, but would never apply the same kind of harsh penalty to drunk driving or owning a car that's capable of going more than 55 mph?

When's the last time anyone characterized our 40,000 annual highway fatalities, many of which could easily be prevented by some harsher penalties and stricter vehicle standards, as a national public health crisis, or a national epidemic that demands immediate legislative action? When was the last Congressional sit-in to restore the 55-mph speed limit? When was the last time the topic even came up in a national political debate?

But you know what, this is totally off topic. Let's take this discussion over to the dedicated "Driving Laws" subforum here on DP....um....oh wait. Sorry. That doesn't exist.
 
Bucky said:
Tell me one person that doesn't advocate for stricter driving laws???

Our country and many businesses are taking steps to reduce automobile fatalities. You have the growth of ride-sharing companies, the promotion of AI and self-driving cars, safer cars, etc...

What exactly is being done to reduce gun violence sir????
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Actually.. researchers are advocating for less strict driving laws. There are a number of studies that show the safety paradox... that when speed limits are eliminated.. accidents and deaths went down. One major study of what happened in montana showed this to be true.

The key to automobile safety was not stricter enforcement and stricter driving laws... it was actually proper engineering of roads.

What is being done to reduce gun violence? Not much.. because the focus has been on the firearm.. and not on the person behind the firearm. While study after study shows that firearms regulation does little to decrease violence.. we continue to do it.

Meanwhile.. study after study shows things like firearms education.. reduces gun accidents... yet we won't institute firearms training in schools.

Study after study shows that mental health interventions.. will decrease suicide yet.. the focus is on the firearm.. and not the mental health of the individual.

In most mass shootings..mental health has been a clear factor in these mass shootings. Yet.. the focus has been on firearms.. and firearms regulation that in no way would have stopped the mass shooting.

For example.. the sandy hook shooter.. killed his mother and stole her firearms... and what was the call by the populace? Background checks!... which he bypassed by killing his mother and stealing his firearms.


The sad thing is that little is being done to solve violence and mass shootings because the anti gun movement is focused on solutions that have no chance of working but instead are simply politically motivated tripe.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yawn... and you say you are gun owner. Please.

"ammosexuals"...

In other words.. gun owners that know the facts.. which are the while firearms in America went up.. accidents with firearms went down.

As firearm sales skyrocketed.. violent crime went down.

That of course more guns.. equals more "gun deaths"... because obviously.. a society that has firearms..is more likely to have firerarms deaths.. than one that has no firearms. Just like a society with bicycles will have more bike accidents.. than a society that does not have bicycles.

That's why its more important to look at better statistics.. like violent crime etc. And what we find is that the US has more guns.. but is just as safe or safer when it comes to violent crime etc.. than other countries.
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Yawn

The US has 25 times the gun death rate of other first world countries


Yawn
 
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