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Stricter gun laws tied to fewer childhood gun deaths

vegas giants said:
I never said from one person. That is all you
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Notice I said NOT 100 guns from that person, so I didn't imply one person but pointed out that it couldn't be one person legally.
 
rwee2000 said:
Notice I said NOT 100 guns from that person, so I didn't imply one person but pointed out that it couldn't be one person legally.
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How nice for you
 
ataraxia said:
Doctors are not experts in lots of things: from car seats to tobacco. It does not mean they can’t study the public health impacts of those things.

Next thing you know you will dismiss the unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the planet on climate change, only to cheer some real estate guy from Manhattan who tells you it’s just all a Chinese hoax or something.
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NOt relevant. Those doctors are often nothing more than propagandists. Harvard's big anti gun guy is not a medical doctor, but an "economist" with zero training in criminology or constitutional law. What I find troubling about global warming is how those who want more and more government control over private property, have co-opted that movement and use the fears of global warming as grounds for more collectivist nonsense

Getting back to the gun issue-there are no credible studies that prove that banning guns or other restrictions that only reduced the freedoms of the law abiding, do anything to decrease violent crime. That almost every supporter of this bunk is leftwing proves that those schemes are more about political warfare and have little to do with public safety
 
Bucky said:
That's nonsense turtledude. 18-21 year old is definitely children emotionally and psychologically. Most of them are students who still rely on their parent's income and support.

In regards to healthcare, you can still be on your parent's plan until age 26. Most 18-21-year-olds are living at home OR living near a college campus on a loan.
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well not in the eyes of the criminal justice system, the legal system, and the Select Service Administration. at 19 my late uncle was flying a machine that could kill several hundred people in a couple of minutes and at age 20, my other uncle was manning a 16" gun on a battleship.

That stupid study is dishonest and the average age of a grunt in Nam was 19
 
Media_Truth said:
Those who are concerned about unregulated gun proliferation are not the ones guilty of a "charade". It's those who simply want that cold metal in their hands, without any regulation, regardless of the consequences to society, who are guilty of the "charade".
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your anti gun arguments are clearly directed at Gun rights advocates, the NRA and those who vote for gun rights. You blatantly lie when you claim that you are talking about those who want NO regulation. You cannot find ANYONE who supports that straw man fantasy you make up
 
vegas giants said:
It does exactly. It is very easy to buy guns without a bc. Lots of guns
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And yet, you can't show how this is common or any kind of issue that needs addressing. You don't honestly believe this is a regular thing with criminals?

But then again you do believe that it is impossible for police to find a private seller of a gun, so you clearly have some odd beliefs.
 
TurtleDude said:
NOt relevant. Those doctors are often nothing more than propagandists. Harvard's big anti gun guy is not a medical doctor, but an "economist" with zero training in criminology or constitutional law. What I find troubling about global warming is how those who want more and more government control over private property, have co-opted that movement and use the fears of global warming as grounds for more collectivist nonsense

Getting back to the gun issue-there are no credible studies that prove that banning guns or other restrictions that only reduced the freedoms of the law abiding, do anything to decrease violent crime. That almost every supporter of this bunk is leftwing proves that those schemes are more about political warfare and have little to do with public safety
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No, it doesn't 'prove' any such thing. That's your biased opinion, but presenting you 'opinion' as a statement of fact doesn't fly in a debate forum. You get to speak for yourself, but you don't get carte blanc to speak for others. I own guns, I lean left, and when it comes to 'schemes', as you refer to them, I am much more concerned with public safety than I am political warfare.
 
pinqy said:
And yet, you can't show how this is common or any kind of issue that needs addressing. You don't honestly believe this is a regular thing with criminals?

But then again you do believe that it is impossible for police to find a private seller of a gun, so you clearly have some odd beliefs.
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Dude it is legal to sell a gun to anyone no questions asked.


Think about that
 
vegas giants said:
Dude it is legal to sell a gun to anyone no questions asked.


Think about that
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No it is NOT. It is illegal to sell to felons, those convicted of domestic abuse, etc. Hell, for a private seller it is illegal to sell to someone from a different state.

A private seller is not required to perform a background check, but that does not mean they can legally sell to anyone.
And it doesn't matter if they don't ask, if you sell a gun to someone who cannot legally own one, then you are commuting a felony. That you didn't perform a background check or ask questions is not a defense.
 
Logician Man said:
No, it doesn't 'prove' any such thing. That's your biased opinion, but presenting you 'opinion' as a statement of fact doesn't fly in a debate forum. You get to speak for yourself, but you don't get carte blanc to speak for others. I own guns, I lean left, and when it comes to 'schemes', as you refer to them, I am much more concerned with public safety than I am political warfare.
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The fact is-the anti gun movement is the most dishonest group in the USA because they constantly lie about their true motivations. If saving lives was what really motivated that movement-they would focus on things that kill far more people than legally owned guns. They don't concentrate on criminals with guns either. Every "solution" the anti gun movement has-involves harassing and limiting lawful gun ownership. Indeed, two big anti gun groups, opposed a program that targeted ARMED FELONS with federal prosecutions-claiming it was "racist" or disparately impacted blacks.

You don't have any credibility to speak for me, btw and your arguments make no sense.
 
TurtleDude said:
The fact is-the anti gun movement is the most dishonest group in the USA because they constantly lie about their true motivations. If saving lives was what really motivated that movement-they would focus on things that kill far more people than legally owned guns. They don't concentrate on criminals with guns either. Every "solution" the anti gun movement has-involves harassing and limiting lawful gun ownership. Indeed, two big anti gun groups, opposed a program that targeted ARMED FELONS with federal prosecutions-claiming it was "racist" or disparately impacted blacks.

You don't have any credibility to speak for me, btw and your arguments make no sense.
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Of course they make sense. You just made another positive claim about an entire group you can't prove to be true, so You were corrected by someone in that group you seem to think you are qualified to speak for in 'totality'. You aren't qualified to speak for others, and if you think you can 'prove' your positive claim I care more about political warfare than I do about public safety, by all means, go for it. Let's see your 'proof' that you know more about my thoughts than I do. This should be interesting. The floor is yours.
 
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pinqy said:
No it is NOT. It is illegal to sell to felons, those convicted of domestic abuse, etc. Hell, for a private seller it is illegal to sell to someone from a different state.

A private seller is not required to perform a background check, but that does not mean they can legally sell to anyone.
And it doesn't matter if they don't ask, if you sell a gun to someone who cannot legally own one, then you are commuting a felony. That you didn't perform a background check or ask questions is not a defense.
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If they are not required to ask....how can they be held accountable for not asking?

Come on man
 
Logician Man said:
Of course they make sense. You just made another positive claim about an entire group you can't prove to be true, so You were corrected by someone in that group you seem to think you are qualified to speak for in 'totality'. You aren't qualified to speak for others, and if you think you can 'prove' your positive claim I care more about political warfare than I do about public safety, by all means, go for it. Let's see your 'proof' that you know more about my thoughts than I do. This should be interesting. The floor is yours.
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No one on this board has ever "corrected me" on gun issues. Certainly not you.
 
TurtleDude said:
No one on this board has ever "corrected me" on gun issues. Certainly not you.
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That may or may not be true. But you have been called out for making unfounded, fallacious positive claims you fail to meet your Burden of Proof on, Like the one you're dodging right now.
 
Logician Man said:
That may or may not be true. But you have been called out for making unfounded, fallacious positive claims you fail to meet your Burden of Proof on, Like the one you're dodging right now.
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Wrong, it is the gun banners who never have facts on their side. We have one well known left wing poster who essentially lies constantly. I have yet to see anyone on the pro gun rights side say anything as stupid as claiming "AR 15s are WEAPONS OF WAR" (even though they have never been issued to any military unit) or -from another left-winger, that semi auto rifles are WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

I have explained why the anti gun side constantly lies or makes blatant errors. It is because that side, unlike us, are mainly made up of people who don't like guns, don't understand guns, have not spent countless hours using guns, dealing with the laws concerning guns, etc. The anti gun movement mainly starts as an ANTI conservative, anti NRA, anti pro-gun voting bloc and tries to make up reasons for pushing gun bans or gun restrictions that are NOT motivated by their real desire to harass gun owners. Since they don't really know the field, their facades tend to break down under scrutiny.
 
Logician Man said:
That may or may not be true. But you have been called out for making unfounded, fallacious positive claims you fail to meet your Burden of Proof on, Like the one you're dodging right now.
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Dont expect truth from ammosexuals. They could care less.

If no one bleeds on their guns....they are fine
 
TurtleDude said:
Wrong, it is the gun banners who never have facts on their side. We have one well known left wing poster who essentially lies constantly. I have yet to see anyone on the pro gun rights side say anything as stupid as claiming "AR 15s are WEAPONS OF WAR" (even though they have never been issued to any military unit) or -from another left-winger, that semi auto rifles are WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

I have explained why the anti gun side constantly lies or makes blatant errors. It is because that side, unlike us, are mainly made up of people who don't like guns, don't understand guns, have not spent countless hours using guns, dealing with the laws concerning guns, etc. The anti gun movement mainly starts as an ANTI conservative, anti NRA, anti pro-gun voting bloc and tries to make up reasons for pushing gun bans or gun restrictions that are NOT motivated by their real desire to harass gun owners. Since they don't really know the field, their facades tend to break down under scrutiny.
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Save it . Burden of Proof is NOT met by providing what 'YOU' have explained. Burden of Proof is met by presenting unbiased, verifiable facts with links to sources for validation. You've presented ZILCH of this. Not even a 'facade' of a Burden of Proof.
 
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Logician Man said:
Save it . Burden of Proof is NOT met by providing what 'YOU' have explained. Burden of Proof is met by presenting unbiased, verifiable facts with links to sources for validation. You've presented ZILCH of this.
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one of the tactics of the anti gun movement is to constantly demand the same facts over and over when they never ever provide any facts.
 
TurtleDude said:
one of the tactics of the anti gun movement is to constantly demand the same facts over and over when they never ever provide any facts.
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And this^^^ has what to do with your inability to meet your Burden of Proof ? I'm not anti-gun, so you can stop with that pontificating.
 
Logician Man said:
And this^^^ has what to do with your inability to meet your Burden of Proof ? I'm not anti-gun, so you can stop with that pontificating.
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What you seem to be is needing to try to contradict what I say. SO tell me Logician Man, what Have I said that is not truthful? Given you never EVER demand proof from the people who post nonsense such as "AR 15s are made for HEAVY COMBAT" I find your demands to be both specious and dishonest.
 
TurtleDude said:
What you seem to be is needing to try to contradict what I say. SO tell me Logician Man, what Have I said that is not truthful? Given you never EVER demand proof from the people who post nonsense such as "AR 15s are made for HEAVY COMBAT" I find your demands to be both specious and dishonest.
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I've already answered that question. Are you having difficulty following the convo ? You always seem to 'find my demands to be both specious and dishonest' when you are unable to meet your Burden of Proof. Coincidence ? No clue as to why you are babbling about AR15s and heavy combat. I know for a fact I've never mentioned anything about AR15s in this forum.
 
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TurtleDude said:
NOt relevant. Those doctors are often nothing more than propagandists. Harvard's big anti gun guy is not a medical doctor, but an "economist" with zero training in criminology or constitutional law. What I find troubling about global warming is how those who want more and more government control over private property, have co-opted that movement and use the fears of global warming as grounds for more collectivist nonsense

Getting back to the gun issue-there are no credible studies that prove that banning guns or other restrictions that only reduced the freedoms of the law abiding, do anything to decrease violent crime. That almost every supporter of this bunk is leftwing proves that those schemes are more about political warfare and have little to do with public safety
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So if doctors tell you smoking is bad for you, it has no credibility unless they are experts on the tobacco plant?
 
TurtleDude said:
What you seem to be is needing to try to contradict what I say. SO tell me Logician Man, what Have I said that is not truthful? Given you never EVER demand proof from the people who post nonsense such as "AR 15s are made for HEAVY COMBAT" I find your demands to be both specious and dishonest.
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Why does that even matter? You want full auto machine guns for your personal recreational use.
 
Logician Man said:
And this^^^ has what to do with your inability to meet your Burden of Proof ? I'm not anti-gun, so you can stop with that pontificating.
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Forget it. Only gun control advocates are supposed to come up with solutions
 
ataraxia said:
So if doctors tell you smoking is bad for you, it has no credibility unless they are experts on the tobacco plant?
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they can say bullets cause wounds, smoking tobacco causes lung ailments, but they have no credibility when they start saying certain laws will decrease gun violence or that citizens should not be able to own something
 
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