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Stricter gun laws tied to fewer childhood gun deaths

jaeger19 said:
Okay... so explain why if you think its okay if you ask TD if he wants to buy your 1903.. does not require a background check..

but if the two of you meet at a gun show.. it does?

Not sure of your logic here.
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Retail vs personal sale, If I am running a booth and selling 50 guns to 50 individuals that I don't know that is one thing. If I want to sell my gun to a friend that I do know as a private seller, how would I run a background check first off, second I know my friend isn't crazy or a criminal and would use the gun for targets or hunting. the check is kind of implied.
 
jaeger19 said:
No actually mexico is not an outlier.. its a great way to use mexico as an example.. because if gun control worked.. Mexico would be a utopia of peace. Mexico citizens have extremely low gun ownership..and have almost no way to purchase legal firearms... yet they have tons of violent crime.

Well.. that pretty much proves that it does not work. Now you say.. but but but.. its corruption. Bingo.. things like corruption are the factor..not gun control.

You say. well but in the US....

Right.. in the US.. we have all sorts of enforcement and drug laws. right? How well is the drug war going? Really stopping people from getting drugs aren't we. Heck even prescription drugs.

So who has access to drugs? those who are willing to break the law.

'Who has less access to drugs..for legitimate reasons? The person following the law.

Why…. given the facts.. would anyone believe that gun control would work... when we have gone to outright bans on drugs.. and it hasn't done a thing but fill our prisons with non violent offenders?
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See I agree with most of what you say, The US would have a hard time with certain gun control laws as the culture and the size of the country make a lot of them difficult.

The only thing I disagree with is the part where Mexico is not an outlier, the whole point of the corruption is what makes them an outlier. the corruption is the only reason that their gun control doesn't work.
 
daeler said:
Retail vs personal sale, If I am running a booth and selling 50 guns to 50 individuals that I don't know that is one thing. If I want to sell my gun to a friend that I do know as a private seller, how would I run a background check first off, second I know my friend isn't crazy or a criminal and would use the gun for targets or hunting. the check is kind of implied.
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Gun shows have tons of personal sales. You have collectors etc that are not dealers. Any dealers at a gun show already have to do a background check.

Oh..and its a good question about your friend and a background check. You would have to go down to a licensed dealer and get a background check on your friend.
 
daeler said:
See I agree with most of what you say, The US would have a hard time with certain gun control laws as the culture and the size of the country make a lot of them difficult.

The only thing I disagree with is the part where Mexico is not an outlier, the whole point of the corruption is what makes them an outlier. the corruption is the only reason that their gun control doesn't work.
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Nah.. their corruption isn't the "only reason their gun control does not work".

You have made that assumption. But that erroneous.. because their gun control "does work"...it has severely decreased the availability of firearms to the law abiding public.

Let me try another tack... We have lots of drug laws on the books. We have a federal law that prohibits the sale of marijuana for example.

Would you claim that these drug laws have been working? If not.. is it because the government is corrupt?

Why not make that leap with America (that it must be corruption).. .. if you are making that leap that it must be the corruption in mexico?
 
vegas giants said:
So you think the corruption in Mexico is just as bad in the US?

Say that directly.


It will be my signature. Lol
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Apparently you think it must be.

If the reason that laws don't work in mexico is because of corruption

Why then when laws like drug laws in America don't work.. it must be due to corruption.
 
jaeger19 said:
Apparently you think it must be.

If the reason that laws don't work in mexico is because of corruption

Why then when laws like drug laws in America don't work.. it must be due to corruption.
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That is freaking hilarious.


You think the US us as corrupt as Mexico.


Priceless. Lol
 
jaeger19 said:
Nah.. their corruption isn't the "only reason their gun control does not work".

You have made that assumption. But that erroneous.. because their gun control "does work"...it has severely decreased the availability of firearms to the law abiding public.

Let me try another tack... We have lots of drug laws on the books. We have a federal law that prohibits the sale of marijuana for example.

Would you claim that these drug laws have been working? If not.. is it because the government is corrupt?

Why not make that leap with America (that it must be corruption).. .. if you are making that leap that it must be the corruption in mexico?
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Bloomberg should pay you.

You ate the best gun control advocate on here. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
That is freaking hilarious.


You think the US us as corrupt as Mexico.


Priceless. Lol
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Only if we use your logic Vegas. according to your logic.. the US must be as corrupt as mexico..

Why else would drug laws not work in the US.. it must be corruption. Right?
 
jaeger19 said:
Nah.. their corruption isn't the "only reason their gun control does not work".

You have made that assumption. But that erroneous.. because their gun control "does work"...it has severely decreased the availability of firearms to the law abiding public.

Let me try another tack... We have lots of drug laws on the books. We have a federal law that prohibits the sale of marijuana for example.

Would you claim that these drug laws have been working? If not.. is it because the government is corrupt?

Why not make that leap with America (that it must be corruption).. .. if you are making that leap that it must be the corruption in mexico?
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yes the drug laws are being circumvented by corruption. The corruption isn't as bad in the US but it is bad enough, cops on the take, customs agents on the take, government officials. We have a ton of corruption on many levels.

Mexico takes that to a higher degree since the government is basically run by the cartels. And yes law abiding citizens can't get guns, but then a corrupt government doesn't want the populace armed.
 
daeler said:
yes the drug laws are being circumvented by corruption. The corruption isn't as bad in the US but it is bad enough, cops on the take, customs agents on the take, government officials. We have a ton of corruption on many levels.

Mexico takes that to a higher degree since the government is basically run by the cartels. And yes law abiding citizens can't get guns, but then a corrupt government doesn't want the populace armed.
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There are no laws as far as the cartels are concerned.
 
TurtleDude said:
The guy who sponsored that nonsense is a hard core bannerrhoid


The researchers weren’t able to show that implementing stricter gun laws would directly lead to fewer pediatric gun-related deaths since they didn’t compare states before and after new regulations were put in place. What they did find was that those states that already had strict laws—jurisdictions that might differ in other significant ways from states with lax gun laws—had fewer deaths.
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Well at least there goes the theory that guns make you safer, LOL.
 
ataraxia said:
Well at least there goes the theory that guns make you safer, LOL.
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Millions of Americans derive billions of hours of enjoyment through the recreational use of guns. Something the gun banner movement rejects or ignores
 
TurtleDude said:
Millions of Americans derive billions of hours of enjoyment through the recreational use of guns. Something the gun banner movement rejects or ignores
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You can do that at a gun range, or out in the wild with proper licensing. No sane American needs a full auto machine guns to enjoy “the recreational use of guns.”
 
ataraxia said:
You can do that at a gun range, or out in the wild with proper licensing. No sane American needs a full auto machine guns to enjoy “the recreational use of guns.”
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Need has no relevance in this discussion.
 
ataraxia said:
Yes, because when it comes to your recreation, the need of others for safety is irrelevant.
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that's a really silly argument because I have never ever even been charged with any threat to someone's safety. And using that idiotic standard, anyone who drinks, anyone who engages in unprotected sex, anyone who DRIVES can be accused of the same thing

tell me-how many legal private owners of machine guns have been charged with murder in the last 80 years?
 
Bucky said:
this study is no surprise. guns are not like alcohol, sex, or driving. those are things more essential for human behavior and things worth doing, even if it meant breaking the law. a lot of people do not have a curiosity or instinct to shoot a gun. there are a lot more easier and safer outlets a person can do besides going to the range or hunt.
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Gun ownership is like property ownership in America. Patriotic Americans enjoy those rights because they are right. Alcohol-related deaths number in the tens of thousands of Americans each year, but where is the outcry from the drunken leftists about that? Pot related deaths number in the thousands but where is the outcry from the pot-heads over that? Automobile accidents cause tens of thousands of deaths in America each year but what do liberals think we should do about that?

Around a thousand pre-teens die each year in America from accidental drownings. What should we do to stop that carnage? About 1300 kids die each year from shootings. Is that all we are concerned about? About one gun for every 10,000 guns in America is used to commit a gun crime. Should we outlaw the millions of guns in America in hopes we can get hundreds out of the hands of criminals? No, because that would mean giving up personal freedoms in America to satisfy the selfish ideas of leftist commies who don't agree with a lot of things about America.

All Americans need to get serious about death and make peach with God before it is too late. About ten thousand Americans die each day of every year and many of those people leave here unprepared to meet God. People should not ignore God now only to have to give an account for that later.
 
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marke said:
Gun ownership is like property ownership in America. patriotic Americans enjoy those rights because they are right. Alcohol-related deaths number in the tens of thousands of Americans each year, but where is the outcry from the drunken leftists about that? Pot related deaths number in the thousands but where is the outcry from the pot-heads over that? Automobile accidents cause tens of thousands of deaths in America each year but what do liberals think we should do about that?
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Your question will remain unanswered by the anti gun left-that is because deaths and violence are NOT the issues they really care about. Gun control is a weapon the left uses against gun rights voters, who tend to vote GOP
 
Bucky said:
here you go

Tougher Gun Laws Do Mean Fewer American Kids Die, Study Shows - Bloomberg
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The very first paragraph says it all...

Children living in states with strict firearm laws are less likely to die from gun violence than those in states with more lax restrictions, according to a study in Pediatrics published Monday. The more rigorous the rules, the lower the risk, the researchers showed.

Of course, we know that those Pediatric personnel are a bunch of liars.:roll:
 
Media_Truth said:
The very first paragraph says it all...

Children living in states with strict firearm laws are less likely to die from gun violence than those in states with more lax restrictions, according to a study in Pediatrics published Monday. The more rigorous the rules, the lower the risk, the researchers showed.

Of course, we know that those Pediatric personnel are a bunch of liars.:roll:
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propaganda from a discredited partisan source that doesn't establish causation. Complete and utter nonsense.
 
TurtleDude said:
propaganda from a discredited partisan source that doesn't establish causation. Complete and utter nonsense.
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Yes, we know. When facts don't agree with your preconceived notions, they become propaganda.
 
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