New Zealand Compliance Rate for Gun Buyback Program Stands at Less than 1 Percent

New Zealand Compliance Rate for Gun Buyback Program Stands at Less than 1 Percent
by JORDAN MICHAELS on JULY 2, 2019

The gun buyback program in New Zealand is not progressing as officials had hoped. After the county’s parliament banned most semi-automatic weapons in the wake of a deadly massacre, less than one percent of the now-prohibited firearms have been turned in. New Zealand gun owners were not required to register AR-type rifles prior to the ban, so law enforcement officers aren’t sure precisely how many “military-style semi-automatic weapons” need to be turned in. But police told New Zealand radio host Ryan Bridge that “probably hundreds of thousands” of guns are now prohibited, and the Washington Post reported this week that only 700 firearms have been voluntarily surrendered. Given that authorities estimate there are 1.2 million to 1.5 million firearms of any type in the country, total compliance to the law passed in April likely stands somewhere between 0.7% and 0.1%. [snip]

• [Paul Clark, the owner of New Zealand Ammunition] told Radio New Zealand journalist Lisa Owen that many owners will attempt to hide their weapons. If owners are not allowed to make their case through the justice system, he added, “the only alternative is a revolution.” Asked to clarify what he meant, he replied, “Literally, what I just said.”

• The efficacy of buyback programs to reduce crime and mass shootings is anything but certain. Dr. Samara McPhedran from Griffith University in Australia told radio host Ryan Bridge that the buyback program Australia conducted in the late 1990s and early 2000s didn’t produce the results officials had hoped for. “The reality is, from what we’ve learned from Australia and a number of other countries, is that buyback programs don’t do what we had hoped for public health and safety outcomes,” McPhedran said. “The people that tend to hand in guns aren’t the high-risk people who tend to be involved with firearm violence.” “In terms of delivering value for money with outcomes, buyback programs are generally not regarded as an effective way to reduce gun violence

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Good for New Zealand gun owners.

Wayne Jr said:

New Zealand Compliance Rate for Gun Buyback Program Stands at Less than 1 Percent
by JORDAN MICHAELS on JULY 2, 2019

The gun buyback program in New Zealand is not progressing as officials had hoped. After the county’s parliament banned most semi-automatic weapons in the wake of a deadly massacre, less than one percent of the now-prohibited firearms have been turned in. New Zealand gun owners were not required to register AR-type rifles prior to the ban, so law enforcement officers aren’t sure precisely how many “military-style semi-automatic weapons” need to be turned in. But police told New Zealand radio host Ryan Bridge that “probably hundreds of thousands” of guns are now prohibited, and the Washington Post reported this week that only 700 firearms have been voluntarily surrendered. Given that authorities estimate there are 1.2 million to 1.5 million firearms of any type in the country, total compliance to the law passed in April likely stands somewhere between 0.7% and 0.1%. [snip]

• [Paul Clark, the owner of New Zealand Ammunition] told Radio New Zealand journalist Lisa Owen that many owners will attempt to hide their weapons. If owners are not allowed to make their case through the justice system, he added, “the only alternative is a revolution.” Asked to clarify what he meant, he replied, “Literally, what I just said.”

• The efficacy of buyback programs to reduce crime and mass shootings is anything but certain. Dr. Samara McPhedran from Griffith University in Australia told radio host Ryan Bridge that the buyback program Australia conducted in the late 1990s and early 2000s didn’t produce the results officials had hoped for. “The reality is, from what we’ve learned from Australia and a number of other countries, is that buyback programs don’t do what we had hoped for public health and safety outcomes,” McPhedran said. “The people that tend to hand in guns aren’t the high-risk people who tend to be involved with firearm violence.” “In terms of delivering value for money with outcomes, buyback programs are generally not regarded as an effective way to reduce gun violence

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Good for New Zealand gun owners.

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That is EXACTLY why I oppose efforts at registration; either direct requirements, or indirect ones like background checks which identify the type of weapons bought or any other "indicator" allowing government agents to determine someone might own a particular type of weapon. The primary purpose of registration is to let the government know who has what weapons. The only real reason to know this is to be able to take them whenever the government feels the time is right. An armed citizenry is a permanent threat to any government power.

I have no problem with a general background check that determines if a person has no valid restrictions preventing them from BUYING weapons. I do object to citizens also having to declare whatever weapons sought being LISTED on those forms.

I don't own any weapons at this time. However I can see myself "taking certain steps" if registration and "buy back" efforts began to gain any traction in the USA.

New Zealand is stupid. In the Sutherland shooting in Texas the shooter killed 26 people before he was stopped by a good samaritan with a gun. Had there not been a good samaritan with a gun its obvious he would've killed more people. In the Chrustchurch mosque shootings in New Zealand, the shooter killed 51 people, nearly twice as many as the Sutherland shooter. Had there been a good samaritan with a gun in New Zealand he would've very likely been stopped before killing so many people, but in New Zealand good samaritans can't have guns and now after this shooting they are just pushing for more gun control. New Zealand and other countries like it are the example of stupid, they want to take away good people's ability to fight back against bad people.

DebateChallenge said:

New Zealand is stupid. In the Sutherland shooting in Texas the shooter killed 26 people before he was stopped by a good samaritan with a gun. Had there not been a good samaritan with a gun its obvious he would've killed more people. In the Chrustchurch mosque shootings in New Zealand, the shooter killed 51 people, nearly twice as many as the Sutherland shooter. Had there been a good samaritan with a gun in New Zealand he would've very likely been stopped before killing so many people, but in New Zealand good samaritans can't have guns and now after this shooting they are just pushing for more gun control. New Zealand and other countries like it are the example of stupid, they want to take away good people's ability to fight back against bad people.

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In this scenario that 'good samaritan with a gun' would most likely have been an armed Muslim defending a Mosque. If that's the fantasy we're peddling here. I for one think armed Muslims guarding Mosques against white christian nationalists is a great idea. I'm sure the American right would agree.

uptower said:

In this scenario that 'good samaritan with a gun' would most likely have been an armed Muslim defending a Mosque. If that's the fantasy we're peddling here. I for one think armed Muslims guarding Mosques against white christian nationalists is a great idea. I'm sure the American right would agree.

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And protecting Senators playing softball. :roll:

RetiredUSN said:

And protecting Senators playing softball. :roll:

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Armed Muslims protecting Senators at baseball? That's doable too.

Wayne Jr said:

New Zealand Compliance Rate for Gun Buyback Program Stands at Less than 1 Percent
by JORDAN MICHAELS on JULY 2, 2019


Good for New Zealand gun owners.

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Let's just call this what it really is. Propaganda, outright bull****, americans practicing their usual telling of lies and false news to persuade rather than inform. Or to put it in words even a gun loving american can understand, you're talking ****.

Police said "estimate there are 1.2 million to 1.5 million firearms of any type in the country," And from that misinformation you get " 0.7% and 0.1%" ****ing bull****. Prove it. Show the actual quote. When you do you will find that that is an estimate of all the guns in nz, not as your percentages are trying to falsely imply that that is the number of guns being banned.

From a more credible source that a biased gun lovers article,
New Zealand reveals $198 million gun buyback scheme after deadly Christchurch attacks - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Police estimated around 14,300 military-style semi-automatics would be covered by the new legislation, though the Government said it was difficult to predict the exact number.

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"But police told New Zealand radio host Ryan Bridge that “probably hundreds of thousands” of guns are now prohibited"
Again bull****. Here is the actual interview.

Ryan Bridge: No hard evidence gun buyback scheme will make NZ safer | Newshub

How do I know? I asked the police. I asked if they will get all the guns out there in the buy-back. They said, 'we'll get most'.

I asked how many guns are out there. They said, 'we don't know, probably hundreds of thousands'.

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So the reality is that the once again american gun lovers need to lie instead of inform to win a debate. There are hundreds of thousands of guns in nz of which a mere 14,000 + will be banned.
It is not as you have falsely claimed hundreds of thousands of guns to be banned but instead only that there are hundreds of thousands of guns out there in total. To which you have falsely added the words "to be banned".

Another of your lies
"Post reported this week that only 700 firearms have been voluntarily surrendered."
The truth is
New Zealand reveals $198 million gun buyback scheme after deadly Christchurch attacks - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Almost 700 weapons had already been handed in before the compensation scheme was launched and almost 5,000 had been registered by owners with police while they awaited collection.

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What you are not telling us to keep your lies going is that the scheme has only just begun and most gun owners are simply waiting to see if they can push for a better deal .

This is one of the most pathetic and dishonest threads i have cone across you should be ashamed of yourself for telling and spreading such lies and misinformation.

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Way to make an ass out of yourself.

I quoted an article. If you have a problem with what the article is saying, great, let's hear it, but your personal attacks don't represent you favorably.

Wayne Jr said:

Way to make an ass out of yourself.

I quoted an article. If you have a problem with what the article is saying, great, let's hear it, but your personal attacks don't represent you favorably.

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How pathetic can you be?

You, are the one who is spreading the lies of that article. You are the one who did not bother to fact check but instead let your own bias allow you to further spread lies and misinformation. You, as i expected, lack the guts to take any responsibility for the lies you are promoting by spreading them around.

And to further your pathetic ways, you can not even be bothered to answer to how i have already pointed out what lies the article you chose to believe in.

These are not personal attacks. They are very correct observations of the type of people who bring such discredit to gun lovers and americans by spreading false rumours. Your actions are disgusting.

I do understand. Caught out in your lies. Lacking any sense of honour. The best you can do is whinge about personal attacks and pretend that i have not already shown just what a bunch of bull**** and lies the article you chose to spread around is.

Do try to understand. i have absolute contempt for the article you chose to push. An american gun loving group that has not the balls or the intelligence to deal with what is happening in nz with any honesty.

Try not to be the same as them. Show some integrity and at least apologise for spreading fake news and then deal with what i have already said that proves your article a lie.

soylentgreen said:

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You're making an ass out of yourself again.

A lie is something you say when you know it's false. If you don't know that it's false, then it's not a lie, just incorrect. You're more than welcome to address the topic, but running around accusing people of lying just makes you look like a fool.

Edit: oh yeah, you're that loudmouth from WordForge. I remember you You regularly got your ass owned all the time. I see you haven't changed

soylentgreen said:

How pathetic can you be?

You, are the one who is spreading the lies of that article. You are the one who did not bother to fact check but instead let your own bias allow you to further spread lies and misinformation. You, as i expected, lack the guts to take any responsibility for the lies you are promoting by spreading them around.

And to further your pathetic ways, you can not even be bothered to answer to how i have already pointed out what lies the article you chose to believe in.

These are not personal attacks. They are very correct observations of the type of people who bring such discredit to gun lovers and americans by spreading false rumours. Your actions are disgusting.

I do understand. Caught out in your lies. Lacking any sense of honour. The best you can do is whinge about personal attacks and pretend that i have not already shown just what a bunch of bull**** and lies the article you chose to spread around is.

Do try to understand. i have absolute contempt for the article you chose to push. An american gun loving group that has not the balls or the intelligence to deal with what is happening in nz with any honesty.

Try not to be the same as them. Show some integrity and at least apologise for spreading fake news and then deal with what i have already said that proves your article a lie.

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I'm only touching in part here since yor info says nz , but does your integrity include snitching a neighbor that may have an "illegal" firearm?

Wayne Jr said:

You're making an ass out of yourself again.

A lie is something you say when you know it's false. If you don't know that it's false, then it's not a lie, just incorrect. You're more than welcome to address the topic, but running around accusing people of lying just makes you look like a fool.

Edit: oh yeah, you're that loudmouth from WordForge. I remember you You regularly got your ass owned all the time. I see you haven't changed

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Bull****. You are simply making excuses instead of demonstrating you don't have the balls to admit you made a mistake by believing in a lie.

The topic i have dealt with by pointing out that it is nothing more than propaganda, a lie. That is there for you to give a reply to if you choose. But let's face it. you have nothing to offer except an apology for spreading fake news. But instead of doing that the best you can offer is some sniveling about how wrong you have been done by.

This so called topic is dead in the water. Your link is nothing more than a lie told by a gun group. A group that has not the courage to argue truthfully or the intelligence to lie credibly. If you wish to defend them then do so and stop ****ing about whinging that you are been insulted.

But you would do yourself more credit by admitting you were wrong and taken in by the deception.

PS. I have no clue what wordforge is. Never been a member there.

zsu2357 said:

I'm only touching in part here since yor info says nz , but does your integrity include snitching a neighbor that may have an "illegal" firearm?

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I honestly have not thought about it as i do not know anyone who does own such firearms.

I would assume that anyone who did decide to keep their gun(s) would have the common sense not to flaunt that fact around. So basically if they are stupid enough to wave an illegal gun around and crow that they still have one then they really are to stupid to be owning that gun.

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There you go making an ass out of yourself again.

Yeah, you know WordForge, you had only 1 thing to say and you posted it over and over. It was always some variant of "America must be a ****hole if you all need guns". Sound familiar? LMAO you got banned, too, for doxing members and stalking them. I remember you, a LOT of people remember you, same arguments, same tone, same terrible grammar, same flippin handle

Buddy, you haven't changed at all. I've watched people try to be patient and explain things, I've seen people be a whole lot nicer to you than you treated them, but you're just so full of hate.

Wayne Jr said:

There you go making an ass out of yourself again.

Yeah, you know WordForge, you had only 1 thing to say and you posted it over and over. It was always some variant of "America must be a ****hole if you all need guns". Sound familiar? LMAO you got banned, too, for doxing members and stalking them. I remember you, a LOT of people remember you, same arguments, same tone, same terrible grammar, same flippin handle

Buddy, you haven't changed at all. I've watched people try to be patient and explain things, I've seen people be a whole lot nicer to you than you treated them, but you're just so full of hate.

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No you have the wrong person. And as i have posted here many times on gun issues without once making that claim then your claim is rather flimsy.

You have not explained anything.

And i tire of you pathetic attempts to ignore your responsibility to explain anything. You do not deserve any more oxygen.

You really only have three options.

Firstly. defend your link. You won't because you can't. The link is as i have said fake news.

Secondly you could try acting like a man with some honour and respect for others by admitting the link is a lie and apologise for being the spreader of fake news. But considering how desperate you are to besmirch me rather than take responsibility for your own actions i doubt that you are the kind of man who considers the truth worth defending when a lie will do.

Or you will do what you have been doing. Desperately trying to pretend the fault is anywhere but with you.

This thread is done. you have been caught in a lie.