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The Collapse of the NRA

TurtleDude said:
No need to-I am dealing with the topic at hand: leftist hate of the NRA
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I don't hate the NRA, the NRA hates me.
I feel disappointed in the NRA.
I hate what they have become.
Back when I joined I thought it was pretty nifty to be an NRA member.

But I was still a terrible left libtard just like I am now.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
That is at least partly due to the fact that there is a severe lack of manpower or resources to do deep dives ON background checks. I need to find the link to the story about that but it just surfaced the other day when officials admitted that lying on a background check is ridiculously easy to get away with.
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It really has little to do with how effective the checks are, because most criminals get their guns from friends or straw purchases or, as you indicated, on the black market.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I can't speak for him but to me lobbying for gun rights is like a choice of fuels in a race car.
You can tune most race cars to accept a higher octane gasoline with some rather radical additives or you can choose to run them on a mostly unadulterated gasoline mixture with average pump gas octane numbers, or you can choose from several options in between.

The more an organization practices outreach and public relations in an effective manner, the less they need to rely solely on lobbying efforts. This is especially true considering the nature of the beast, namely gun rights being protected by the Constitution.

If there was more bipartisan support for gun rights, the NRA would need less lobbying power.
The issue would largely sell itself, but let's take a look at what NRA is currently selling.

It is a product that is presented BY the NRA as being for Republicans only.
I do not feel the least bit welcome and yet I own guns.
And that is at least PARTLY WHY they need to lobby so hard.

As I said earlier, I do NOT blame the NRA exclusively however we are where we're at right now at least in part due to NRA polarizing things in such an absolute manner.
There is no way I could sell fellow liberals on "joining the National Rifle Association".
The very thought would be laughable and yet I know lots of lefty gun owners.
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Why make it a left vs right issue? Why don't we make it one of personal responsibility?
Having said that, will we ever be able to keep lethal weapons out of the wrong hands? We need to identify the tendency for violence. Weapons are just a tool.
 
Tlrmln said:
It really has little to do with how effective the checks are, because most criminals get their guns from friends or straw purchases or, as you indicated, on the black market.
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I don't dispute that.
Like I said, I do own guns. I understand the problem.
 
Lovebug said:
Why make it a left vs right issue? Why don't we make it one of personal responsibility?
Having said that, will we ever be able to keep lethal weapons out of the wrong hands? We need to identify the tendency for violence. Weapons are just a tool.
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What do you mean? I am not making it a left vs right issue.
It's a sad bit of business that it has developed that way but the NRA is at least partly responsible for that. I can point to Democrats who decided that banning guns would be THEIR pet solution, so they are partly responsible too.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
The NRA is categorically not a rights group.

They are an industry lobby for gun manufacturers.

That’s all this entire thing is to them, as utterly weirdo as I find the way some Americans think about guns, I kind of see the logic at least even if I think it’s misguided but the NRA is so transparent in their motives you have to be blind not to see it.
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Who do you think gun owners buy their guns from? :lamo
 
jet57 said:
So something I've been thinking about. It's more political than gun oriented, so I put it in International. I think that the timing of the collapse of the NRA goes hand in hand with that Russian spy who infiltrated them. I think the NRA is down hard.

I also think that the extremists in the NRA have had their day and since this Russian scandal the NRA will go through radical changes.

What do you guys think?
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The brain fart it took to fall in love with Mother Russia so perfectly describes what happened to the NRA & the American Right that we can just do a mic drop.
 
TurtleDude said:
That means nothing. And when far lefties whine about the NRA, we know it is because they hate the politicians the NRA supports. NRA doesn't support welfare-socialists or other collectivist clowns
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LOL...reminds me of a quote from Adam Savage of Myth Busters- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" :roll:

It is about being a shill for those who make firearms as the NRA's 'power' to elect rabid right politicians is extremely limited- Obama's two terms shows us that. The Republicant's loss of the House shows us that.

But continue to whistle past the graveyard, your a bit pitchy but we can still recognize the tune... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
It is about being a shill for those who make firearms as the NRA's 'power' to elect rabid right politicians is extremely limited.
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Maybe. Remember, there are only a few million NRA members, out of a voting population of 100+ million. However, the NRA's ability to mobilize votes against the more rabid anti-gun politicians is unquestioned, at least amongst the politicians themselves. Watch what happens when a major presidential candidate runs on a strong anti-gun platform.

But continue to whistle past the graveyard, your a bit pitchy but we can still recognize the tune... :peace
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OK, whistling away.
 
dogboy49 said:
Maybe. Remember, there are only a few million NRA members, out of a voting population of 100+ million. However, the NRA's ability to mobilize votes against the more rabid anti-gun politicians is unquestioned, at least amongst the politicians themselves. Watch what happens when a major presidential candidate runs on a strong anti-gun platform. OK, whistling away.
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In the past, perhaps, but since the BushII could you name the 'more rabid anti-'gun' politicians the NRA has successfully mobilized votes against. Certainly didn't succeed supporting McCain or Romney against Obama.

I'd opine it would be the stance of a 'strong anti-'gun' platform, not the call to arms of the NRA that will motivate voters- all claims of power by the shills for 'gun' makers aside. The NRA has **** in it's feed bowl and now will pay the price but whistle away... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
In the past, perhaps, but since the BushII could you name the 'more rabid anti-'gun' politicians the NRA has successfully mobilized votes against. Certainly didn't succeed supporting McCain or Romney against Obama.
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I said "more rabid anti-gun", which didn't include Obama. List of Obama Gun Control Measures and Executive Orders


I'd opine it would be the stance of a 'strong anti-'gun' platform, not the call to arms of the NRA that will motivate voters.
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Your opinion noted. I guess we will both see if, say, Booker, Hickenlooper, or Swalwell become the Democratic nominee.

but whistle away... :peace
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notquiteright said:
LOL...reminds me of a quote from Adam Savage of Myth Busters- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" :roll:

It is about being a shill for those who make firearms as the NRA's 'power' to elect rabid right politicians is extremely limited- Obama's two terms shows us that. The Republicant's loss of the House shows us that.

But continue to whistle past the graveyard, your a bit pitchy but we can still recognize the tune... :peace
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Left-wingers complaining about an organization that helps elect right wingers. Yeah that's going to lead to objectivity
 
TurtleDude said:
Left-wingers complaining about an organization that helps elect right wingers. Yeah that's going to lead to objectivity
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Right Wingers defending a corrupt organization which was caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Yeah, color me surprised--not.
 
calamity said:
Right Wingers defending a corrupt organization which was caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Yeah, color me surprised--not.
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anti gun extremists will complain about the NRA no matter what the topic is
 
TurtleDude said:
anti gun extremists will complain about the NRA no matter what the topic is
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Dodging the fact that the NRA was caught playing dirty and had been sucked in by Russian agents, by throwing out the usual tired and worn ad homs, will not make those facts go away. :roll:
 
calamity said:
Dodging the fact that the NRA was caught playing dirty and had been sucked in by Russian agents, by throwing out the usual tired and worn ad homs, will not make those facts go away. :roll:
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The NRA was not caught at all. A couple people associated with the NRA were duped. and what is funny is that it didn't hurt the NRA at all. And its funny watching you complain about "ad homs" given your comments about the NRA and its membership
 
TurtleDude said:
The NRA was not caught at all. A couple people associated with the NRA were duped. and what is funny is that it didn't hurt the NRA at all. And its funny watching you complain about "ad homs" given your comments about the NRA and its membership
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"It didn't hurt the NRA at all" ..lol. We've gone from dodge to complete denial in one full swoop.

I hate to tell ya, but the facts say otherwise.

NRA meltdown has Trump campaign sweating

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TurtleDude said:
The NRA was not caught at all. A couple people associated with the NRA were duped. and what is funny is that it didn't hurt the NRA at all. And its funny watching you complain about "ad homs" given your comments about the NRA and its membership
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The NRA was caught “red” handed being infiltrated by the Russians and now their nationalist far right-wingism is leading them to pay the price. As the gun crowd continues to lie and usurp and deny, my “on the record” predictions are coming to fruition in spades.

I would suggest that you start reading reality instead of living in denial.
 
jet57 said:
The NRA was caught “red” handed being infiltrated by the Russians and now their nationalist far right-wingism is leading them to pay the price. As the gun crowd continues to lie and usurp and deny, my “on the record” predictions are coming to fruition in spades.

I would suggest that you start reading reality instead of living in denial.
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You're lying again. The NRA had a couple people duped by some woman who claimed to be a gun rights advocate. She was never an officer of the NRA so your infiltration babble is just that
 
calamity said:
"It didn't hurt the NRA at all" ..lol. We've gone from dodge to complete denial in one full swoop.

I hate to tell ya, but the facts say otherwise.

NRA meltdown has Trump campaign sweating

:2rofll:
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From your article

Ken Blackwell, an NRA board member who is active with an array of conservative groups, disputed the idea that Cox’s departure and the subsequent turmoil would sideline the group in 2020. The NRA’s turnout efforts, he said, were largely orchestrated at the state and local levels.

“Chris was good at what he did, but he was not the reservoir of ground action,” Blackwell said. “This notion that there was someone sitting behind the green curtain in Washington driving the base turnout, it was a misnomer.”

Others argued that with Democratic presidential candidates vowing to enact stricter gun control laws, firearm owners will be sufficiently motivated to keep Trump in office.

Yep when spartacus and the other assclowns scream for gun bans, the NRA will grow in power. Biden is a hard core gun banner and is your current leader. I cannot think of any of the star wars bar crowd-who has a prayer-who is not a gun banner
 
dogboy49 said:
I said "more rabid anti-gun", which didn't include Obama. Your opinion noted. I guess we will both see if, say, Booker, Hickenlooper, or Swalwell become the Democratic nominee.
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Ummm I didn't say just Obama, there are a few more than just Obama who can create legislation.... :roll:

Fact is just like the NRA, you are projecting unfounded fears in an attempt to generate votes. But you, like the other fear mongers here, ignore the 'strength' of the NRA has failed to elect key Republicant nominees with an almost insane list of rants and fears against Obama. The NRA couldn't protect the House from a Democrat take-over.

The NRA is a tag-a-long attempting to take credit for the work of others and ignores it's own failures... :doh

You whistle pretty well, as would be expected from all the practice the NRA defenders have gotten of late... :peace
 
TurtleDude said:
Left-wingers complaining about an organization that helps elect right wingers. Yeah that's going to lead to objectivity
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And a rabid NRA supporter claiming the NRA did more than tag-a-long in elections is REAL objective.... :roll:

We have discussed the election failures of the NRA at some length now. They don't make a bit of difference in the elections.

No, the NRA helps the firearms industry, first, last and always... :peace
 
TurtleDude said:
From your article

Ken Blackwell, an NRA board member who is active with an array of conservative groups, disputed the idea that Cox’s departure and the subsequent turmoil would sideline the group in 2020. The NRA’s turnout efforts, he said, were largely orchestrated at the state and local levels.

“Chris was good at what he did, but he was not the reservoir of ground action,” Blackwell said. “This notion that there was someone sitting behind the green curtain in Washington driving the base turnout, it was a misnomer.”

Others argued that with Democratic presidential candidates vowing to enact stricter gun control laws, firearm owners will be sufficiently motivated to keep Trump in office.

Yep when spartacus and the other assclowns scream for gun bans, the NRA will grow in power. Biden is a hard core gun banner and is your current leader. I cannot think of any of the star wars bar crowd-who has a prayer-who is not a gun banner
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yes, the Right is fear driven. We know that.
 
notquiteright said:
And a rabid NRA supporter claiming the NRA did more than tag-a-long in elections is REAL objective.... :roll:

We have discussed the election failures of the NRA at some length now. They don't make a bit of difference in the elections.

No, the NRA helps the firearms industry, first, last and always... :peace
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Its funny watching non-members of the NRA pretend to know more about what the NRA does for its members than those of us who are members and have been for over forty years
 
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