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Gun owner's thoughts about how to make schools safer

It's funny how people try to claim that we need more armed guards at these places.

Fact: There was a cop at Columbine that exchanged gunfire with Harris and Klebold. The good guy with a gun didn't stop the bad guys with guns.

Fact: There were armed guards at the Pulse Nightclub. 49 people died.

Fact: There was a cop on duty at Parkland. The good guy with a gun failed.

The key isn't arming and securing these places, because the "good guy with a gun" has a real chance at becoming a coward with a gun.

The key is to make sure crazies don't get guns.
 
ryzorsden said:
It's funny how people try to claim that we need more armed guards at these places.

Fact: There was a cop at Columbine that exchanged gunfire with Harris and Klebold. The good guy with a gun didn't stop the bad guys with guns.

Fact: There were armed guards at the Pulse Nightclub. 49 people died.

Fact: There was a cop on duty at Parkland. The good guy with a gun failed.

The key isn't arming and securing these places, because the "good guy with a gun" has a real chance at becoming a coward with a gun.

The key is to make sure crazies don't get guns.
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so how do you do that
 
ryzorsden said:
It's funny how people try to claim that we need more armed guards at these places.

Fact: There was a cop at Columbine that exchanged gunfire with Harris and Klebold. The good guy with a gun didn't stop the bad guys with guns.

Fact: There were armed guards at the Pulse Nightclub. 49 people died.

Fact: There was a cop on duty at Parkland. The good guy with a gun failed.

The key isn't arming and securing these places, because the "good guy with a gun" has a real chance at becoming a coward with a gun.

The key is to make sure crazies don't get guns.
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Exactly. Other countries laugh at our idea of throwing more guns at this problem
 
TomFitz said:
I am often critical of people who make points with cartoons, but this one struck a nerve.

When I was young, my mom didn’t think twice about leaving the car unlocked and the windows down (there was no air conditioning) in a parking lot.

I remember being able to park on the lot on the East side of the Capitol Building and walk right into the Rotunda and ask the security guard where to go (in those days, when you took the tour, you got to ride the Congressional subway, too).

I remember being able to see my dad off at the airport, right at the gate, and go up on the observation deck to watch the plane leave.

I remember being able to walk into just about any public building without clearing security.

We gave all of that up.

All for the illusion of security.
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And back then, when everything was so safe as you describe, gun laws were no more strict then than they are now.
 
Glitch said:
Any government that restricts my liberty is a hellhole. Which certainly includes the entire UK and the Nordic nations of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland.
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I let you know when my life is miserable (= I'm finally aware of my highly restricted life without right to carry gun). As long as I'm living in my bubble, it's just comfy and safe - without security issues.
 
FinnFox said:
I let you know when my life is miserable (= I'm finally aware of my highly restricted life without right to carry gun). As long as I'm living in my bubble, it's just comfy and safe - without security issues.
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Security is an illusion to make the self-deluded "feel" safe.
 
Glitch said:
Security is an illusion to make the self-deluded "feel" safe.
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What if I'm too stupid to realize that I'm living in illusion? If I ever wake up, I'm most likely moving to US, asap. Then I can have some bang, bang, bang and pew, pew, pew.
 
FinnFox said:
What if I'm too stupid to realize that I'm living in illusion? If I ever wake up, I'm most likely moving to US, asap. Then I can have some bang, bang, bang and pew, pew, pew.
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Maybe you are more familiar with one of our Founding Father's writings, "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." All of Europe, including the Nordic nations, have long since sacrificed their liberty for the assurance of safety and security, and Benjamin Franklin was proven right, they have neither liberty nor security. Europe would be pitied, if not for the fact that people throughout Europe gladly threw away their liberty for the false promise of security. Europeans will never know what it means to be free, to never live in fear of an all-powerful intrusive government. But that was their choice. Thankfully we have the US to demonstrate the meaning of liberty and set an example that other nations can only aspire to achieve.
 
FinnFox said:
Reason why I ask this is that gun owners have more knowledge about weapons, how weapons work and what's possible to do and what's not (or just unlikely or more likely).

i'm also searching for minimum needed real counter action to reduce school shootings and I'm asking that from gun owners. Maybe we should think what's making it worse or just keeping violence rate where it is now (if it's not raising?).

I'm not gun owner, so I'm far from true knowledge about guns.
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We should allow certain faculty and staff members in schools to be armed. Such armed faculty and staff would have to be specialized but they could be good protection against a shooter that targets a school.
 
DebateChallenge said:
We should allow certain faculty and staff members in schools to be armed. Such armed faculty and staff would have to be specialized but they could be good protection against a shooter that targets a school.
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You mean teachers?
 
DebateChallenge said:
We should allow certain faculty and staff members in schools to be armed. Such armed faculty and staff would have to be specialized but they could be good protection against a shooter that targets a school.
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I agree. The most important thing is to remove the Democrat-created massacre magnets they've made schools by making them into "Gun Free Zones." It really doesn't matter if there is only one member of the faculty who is armed, or dozens, as long as we keep the insane crazies guessing and eliminate the stigma of being a "Gun Free Zone." It is as if Democrats deliberately wanted to have children targeted. Why else would they intentionally invite every crazy to shoot children with their insane "Gun Free Zones?"
 
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