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Ky. Gun Owners No Longer Need Concealed Carry Permit

Casper said:
Not sure how I feel on the issue, while I understand both sides of the argument I am concerned that this could result in more accidental shootings especially when an armed citizen interfaces with law enforcement officers. We shall see how it works
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How does your gun fire by you speaking to a cop? What magical word are you speaking that causes the trigger to press?
 
vegas giants said:
I am so glad you support small children carrying guns.

I will remind you of this often
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It's important to match the firearm to the shooter's hand. I don't think most 10 y/o could effectively wield a full-size pistol. Best to try sub-compact guns or j-frame revolvers.
 
Casper said:
Not sure how I feel on the issue, while I understand both sides of the argument I am concerned that this could result in more accidental shootings especially when an armed citizen interfaces with law enforcement officers. We shall see how it works
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The new law isn't going to have any effect in either direction as far as idiots who suddenly feel compelled to inject themselves where their input isn't wanted.
 
There's a common sense way to interact with law enforcement when you are armed.
 
Casper said:
Not sure how I feel on the issue, while I understand both sides of the argument I am concerned that this could result in more accidental shootings especially when an armed citizen interfaces with law enforcement officers. We shall see how it works
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You've got 6 states that have had Constitutional Carry for more than 5 years. That should be a pretty good test pool, don't you think?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The new law isn't going to have any effect in either direction as far as idiots who suddenly feel compelled to inject themselves where their input isn't wanted.
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Is there anything that would, other than better ways to deal with those that have serious "issues". even then there would be a limited impact. Problem is, the vast majority of violence involving firearms has no connection to law abiding citizens. Going after firearms is running down the wrong rabbit hole. There are two far more addressing holes called mental illness and gang activities that are far more relivant to the issue at hand.
 
Casper said:
They also probably told you to inform them immediately that you are carrying. Not to mention other pertinent laws. Think something like that could be covered in an online course, free, and that would cover most issues.
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I can think of one state where it isn't even a requirement to notify a cop that stops you unless he or she specifically ask.
 
Lutherf said:
You've got 6 states that have had Constitutional Carry for more than 5 years. That should be a pretty good test pool, don't you think?
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The jury really isn't in at this point. Not against the idea but honest concerns do arise.
 
Casper said:
Is there anything that would, other than better ways to deal with those that have serious "issues". even then there would be a limited impact. Problem is, the vast majority of violence involving firearms has no connection to law abiding citizens. Going after firearms is running down the wrong rabbit hole. There are two far more addressing holes called mental illness and gang activities that are far more relivant to the issue at hand.
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It's very clear how armed citizens are supposed to interact with law enforcement.
You're barking up the wrong tree Casper. I am a gun owner.
A liberal gun owner. (Sssshhhhhh, we're not supposed to exist.)
 
Lutherf said:
I can think of one state where it isn't even a requirement to notify a cop that stops you unless he or she specifically ask.
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Well that's stupid in my humble opinion. I give law enforcement the discretion and I don't give discretion to the armed citizen.
They're cops, you're NOT. Cops deserve to be informed as to whether or not the people they interact with are armed, and the law should require citizens to inform them.

I'm a liberal and even I understand this.
 
Casper said:
Training in how to deal with an officer while armed.
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With or without a permit, the gun owner/carrier is always responsible for knowing the laws.
 
apdst said:
When I took my CCW class they told me to, "follow the officer's instructions". That's just common sense. I didn't need to go to class for that.
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It's a little late in states that require you inform the officer you are armed when they appear at your window. "They" are not required to ask, you are required to tell them.

So it's always in someone's best interests to know the laws.

Happily my state does not have such a disclosure law.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It's very clear how armed citizens are supposed to interact with law enforcement.
You're barking up the wrong tree Casper. I am a gun owner.
A liberal gun owner. (Sssshhhhhh, we're not supposed to exist.)
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Who is this, ....we are just figments if our own imaginations, no existence here........
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Well that's stupid in my humble opinion. I give law enforcement the discretion and I don't give discretion to the armed citizen.
They're cops, you're NOT. Cops deserve to be informed as to whether or not the people they interact with are armed, and the law should require citizens to inform them.

I'm a liberal and even I understand this.
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Frankly, whether a cop should be informed or not depends on the situation and the cop. In some cases telling the cop you're armed might cause more problems. Cops, like anybody else, can be jumpy some times. The best approach I have found is to make sure that the cop feels like they are in control through the entire process. Don't blurt something out that might make them suddenly think they've lost control or have more they need to control than what's really there.
 
Lursa said:
With or without a permit, the gun owner/carrier is always responsible for knowing the laws.
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100% correct. But not a bad idea to let those that carry know those laws, as I said, on line is fine.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Well that's stupid in my humble opinion. I give law enforcement the discretion and I don't give discretion to the armed citizen.
They're cops, you're NOT. Cops deserve to be informed as to whether or not the people they interact with are armed, and the law should require citizens to inform them.

I'm a liberal and even I understand this.
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Why? Do you think the criminals would tell them?

Cops would put themselves in more danger if they happily just accepted that 'if someone tells me their armed, then I know'. They can never let down their guard.
 
The internet is overflowing with tutorials from gun rights advocates and even current or former cops, that explain how to properly interact with a cop when you're armed.

And the big takeaway from most of them is the fact that cops really appreciate it if you interact with them in the ways explained in the tutorials. The big problem seems to be that not all cops carry through with their end of the deal if you're the wrong color but that doesn't change the fact that there is a proper way to do it.

We need to eliminate the cops who don't hold up their end of the deal.
People like that should not be allowed to work in law enforcement in the first place.
 
Casper said:
100% correct. But not a bad idea to let those that carry know those laws, as I said, on line is fine.
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IMO if there was to be any mandatory training, that would be it: on the laws. And it would be in the best interests of the gun owner, for their protection.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Well that's stupid in my humble opinion. I give law enforcement the discretion and I don't give discretion to the armed citizen.
They're cops, you're NOT. Cops deserve to be informed as to whether or not the people they interact with are armed, and the law should require citizens to inform them.

I'm a liberal and even I understand this.
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The problem with Duty To Inform laws is not the idea behind them, but that they're abused.
 
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