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My new pistol!

Chomsky said:
The Minx *is* is what I referred to above. But I called it a Model 25, which was wrong. It's actually a Model 950. I had one. It's a cool little gun, about the size of a hardpack of smokes. But it was solid, well-built, well machined, and reliable. It also had this great feature where you press a little lever that looks like a safety, and instead a spring actuated mechanism pops the barrel up for cleaning!

Considering the state of general technology and industrial manufacturing in the 60's/70's, along with the usual Italian penchant for poor manufacturing and quality control, I found the Berettas from that era to be really well manufactured. I think they were the equal of whatever Colt, Smith, and Browning were doing at the time.
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My firearm of choice for personal protection is an S@W 357. It's already saved my wife's and my life. When it's time to put up or shut up, I want something that isn't going to jam, and packs a punch.
 
TurtleDude said:
I never thought Italian guns were poorly made-in the late 70s I won the Junior Nationals with a Perazzi MT 6 Olympic skeet gun and it was as well made a gun I ever shot. And I have one of those little Minx-950s (single action) in 22LR. I bought it at a range-a woman came in at closing and said her boyfriend got it for her but she wanted something bigger. The owner noted his cost on a new one was much less than what she had bought it for and thus he didn't need a used one. So i offered her a fair price (around 80 bucks IIRC)-new they were about 120, and I still have it, though I haven't shot it in over 20 years.
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Another testament to old Beretta/Italian guns, was that in the early-to-mid 80's the Illinois State Police adopted Berreta 9mm's for their official side arm. They were one of the first state depts to go foreign made pieces and/or 9mm, and they caught a lot of "Buy American" flack over it. Of course there also was a huge amount of concern and controversy over the perceived stopping power of a 9mm too, but everyone agreed having 11 or 14 rounds was a big deal compared to six-shooters.

I don't remember the details, but for some reason they nixed getting 1911's. Either cost, or perhaps too heavy of a caliber for control & accuracy?

Crazy as it sounds, CPD still mandated the standard .38 Special back then! But the good coppers got around it by carrying .357 back-ups. To keep up with the bad guys moving to autos, they would carry multiple speed-loaders. Not a great solution to go up against guys with extended capacity mags, but it is what it is. Anything more than 38 Special in the dense urban environment, was thought to be too hazardous at the time.
 
Logician Man said:
My firearm of choice for personal protection is an S@W 357. It's already saved my wife's and my life. When it's time to put up or shut up, I want something that isn't going to jam, and packs a punch.
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That's the classic defense of wheelguns. Along with simplicity of operation.
 
Chomsky said:
That's the classic defense of wheelguns. Along with simplicity of operation.
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True-plus you can mix several different rounds in a wheel gun-while many modern autos can sort of handle that-there is absolutely no issue loading a wheel gun with 3 hot 357s with three mild 38S wad cutters. also a wheel gun (the 8 shot SW 327s) are good for using against a ballistic shield-there is no slide to jam. The knocks against wheel guns are ergonomically autos are better-especially the gripping and the high competition grip we use on autos can get your left thumb dinged if your cylinder doesn't line up perfectly with the barrel. Plus-while you can slick up a Double action on a smith revolver really well, you cannot get the trigger pull anywhere near as smooth and light as you can on a 1911 or say a CZ-75 (and single action shooting a revolver is too slow for most people for defensive work)

the other big advantage of a wheel gun-if you have hard primers or a bad round-you just pull the trigger again
 
TurtleDude said:
True-plus you can mix several different rounds in a wheel gun-while many modern autos can sort of handle that-there is absolutely no issue loading a wheel gun with 3 hot 357s with three mild 38S wad cutters. also a wheel gun (the 8 shot SW 327s) are good for using against a ballistic shield-there is no slide to jam. The knocks against wheel guns are ergonomically autos are better-especially the gripping and the high competition grip we use on autos can get your left thumb dinged if your cylinder doesn't line up perfectly with the barrel. Plus-while you can slick up a Double action on a smith revolver really well, you cannot get the trigger pull anywhere near as smooth and light as you can on a 1911 or say a CZ-75 (and single action shooting a revolver is too slow for most people for defensive work)

the other big advantage of a wheel gun-if you have hard primers or a bad round-you just pull the trigger again
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Yep, no need to clear squib rounds, just pull the trigger again - simplicity of operation. Not just simplicity for mechanical reliability, but for user friendliness too. If you have someone you would not want to try to teach to drive a stick, I wouldn't want to teach them to shoot an automatic! :2razz:

But interesting your mentioning different loads in the same revolver. While still living in my old dense & busy city neighborhood, one of our city-girl divorcée neighbors married a widowed farmer. Actually, they were both seniors in their sixties. He was literally a farmer from WI. The real deal. No idea why, but he left the farm and moved into her house in the city. He was the quintessential salt-of-the-earth, man of few words, no nonsense farmer.

So when one night their garage got tagged with graffiti, he was beyond obsessed. He stayed-up all night, every night, starring out of the rear bedroom window from a blacked-out room for several weeks, 12ga in hand. And his load? First round was rock salt, next two were bird, then buck from there out! It was the first time I heard of different loads in the same weapon. I was impressed with his creativity. He didn't care if he was now in the city or not, he was going to give someone a taste of salt if the messed with his property!

Luckily, nothing came of it. But the guy garnered a lot of respect from us in the neighborhood, and we welcomed him with open arms. It didn't hurt that word got out on the street.
 
Renae said:
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Nothing fancy mind you, but it's mine, and it's perfect for my purse... and shoot outs in elevators :)
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I like it. Have a very old airweight that was my father's. During summer with lightweight clothing it is my carry gun. I always reccomend my lady friends that a revolver like the airweight is the way to go. Simple to operate. Safe. Easily concealable and quite effective.

Short barreled revolvers are what i call belly guns. You are.going to be quite close in a defensive situation. I doubt you will have time for that classic weaver stance. Best thing you can do for sights on that pistol is crimson trace laser grips. That and practice. Practice shooting in awkward positions, one handed even weak hand. It will give you an idea of what you can accomplish with laser sights and learn your limitations.
 
rickc said:
I like it. Have a very old airweight that was my father's. During summer with lightweight clothing it is my carry gun. I always reccomend my lady friends that a revolver like the airweight is the way to go. Simple to operate. Safe. Easily concealable and quite effective.

Short barreled revolvers are what i call belly guns. You are.going to be quite close in a defensive situation. I doubt you will have time for that classic weaver stance. Best thing you can do for sights on that pistol is crimson trace laser grips. That and practice. Practice shooting in awkward positions, one handed even weak hand. It will give you an idea of what you can accomplish with laser sights and learn your limitations.
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And practice aiming and shooting (dry fire/snap caps) without drawing the revolver from the purse.
 
TurtleDude said:
I know several guys who fly fish in Alaska and their handgun of choice is a Glock 10MM due to the fact it carries 15 rounds, is very easy to fire quickly and accurately, and weighs far less than those big hand cannon N or bigger framed Smith Revolvers. Hot 10MM is a very potent round and 4-5 of them in a couple of seconds is probably more likely to stop anything compared to one hit of a big 460 or 500 revolver round
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I hope they have more than just a handgun. Handguns are only a back-up firearm, because it is damn difficult to cast while holding a 12-guage. I wouldn't use a rifle under .40 cal. much less a handgun. That is the smallest caliber Alaskan bear guides will allow, before they start adding several thousand dollars to the bill. Even then it would be damn difficult to take down a brown bear with just a handgun. Even the .50 cal. Desert Eagle only has 1,531 foot pounds at the muzzle. My Ruger .44 Mag is only 1,100 foot pounds at the muzzle, and I'm using hot loads. You need a minimum of 2,000 foot pounds on contact to stop a big animal like a bear, and no handgun will do that. Which is why my camp gun is a 12-guage loaded with .65 cal. sabot slugs.
 
Glitch said:
I hope they have more than just a handgun. Handguns are only a back-up firearm, because it is damn difficult to cast while holding a 12-guage. I wouldn't use a rifle under .40 cal. much less a handgun. That is the smallest caliber Alaskan bear guides will allow, before they start adding several thousand dollars to the bill. Even then it would be damn difficult to take down a brown bear with just a handgun. Even the .50 cal. Desert Eagle only has 1,531 foot pounds at the muzzle. My Ruger .44 Mag is only 1,100 foot pounds at the muzzle, and I'm using hot loads. You need a minimum of 2,000 foot pounds on contact to stop a big animal like a bear, and no handgun will do that. Which is why my camp gun is a 12-guage loaded with .65 cal. sabot slugs.
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Bingo.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I'm still getting used to the idea of no safety on my latest, a Taurus.
I admit it, I'd rather have a safety. I'm more used to it.
My Makarov has a safety.
Only thing is, be very careful not to ever apply the safety with the hammer cocked, so there is that.

I think the trigger mechanism might be sloppy, I bought it used anyway.
Maybe it's time to retire it.
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I don't guess I understand the need for a safety on a firearm. As long as it's not like a cowboy pistol or flintlock but those have safeties half-****.

The best say to you can have is proper handling
 
Renae said:
I don't fondle it, as a Trans woman I am high risk of being attacked, as a free citizen having at hand a tool to stop bad people is a good thing!
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As a Trans woman I know you might sometimes be targeted to be victimized what with all the hate towards the LGBT community, however first somebody would have to know that you're Trans. While I do think its a good idea to carry a gun for protection if you're well trained, its best to never have to use it on a person.
 
DebateChallenge said:
As a Trans woman I know you might sometimes be targeted to be victimized what with all the hate towards the LGBT community, however first somebody would have to know that you're Trans. While I do think its a good idea to carry a gun for protection if you're well trained, its best to never have to use it on a person.
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I am 6'1" and despite passing quite well (I do, in fact) there is a risk, and the crazies out there...

I pray I never EVER have to use it, but I'll feel much better having the means should the need arise.
 
Renae said:
I am 6'1" and despite passing quite well (I do, in fact) there is a risk, and the crazies out there...

I pray I never EVER have to use it, but I'll feel much better having the means should the need arise.
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Yes that's true that people who are born male tend to be taller than people who are born female when they reach their full height. But there are some tall women out there, you could just come across as a tall woman.

Anyway, I did have the impression that the LGBT movement was very much a liberal movement and liberals generally speaking don't like guns. There are some exceptions of course such as the Pink Pistols.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Yes that's true that people who are born male tend to be taller than people who are born female when they reach their full height. But there are some tall women out there, you could just come across as a tall woman.

Anyway, I did have the impression that the LGBT movement was very much a liberal movement and liberals generally speaking don't like guns. There are some exceptions of course such as the Pink Pistols.
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I'm... very conservative as a rule.
 
Chomsky said:
Yep, no need to clear squib rounds, just pull the trigger again - simplicity of operation. Not just simplicity for mechanical reliability, but for user friendliness too. If you have someone you would not want to try to teach to drive a stick, I wouldn't want to teach them to shoot an automatic! :2razz:

But interesting your mentioning different loads in the same revolver. While still living in my old dense & busy city neighborhood, one of our city-girl divorcée neighbors married a widowed farmer. Actually, they were both seniors in their sixties. He was literally a farmer from WI. The real deal. No idea why, but he left the farm and moved into her house in the city. He was the quintessential salt-of-the-earth, man of few words, no nonsense farmer.

So when one night their garage got tagged with graffiti, he was beyond obsessed. He stayed-up all night, every night, starring out of the rear bedroom window from a blacked-out room for several weeks, 12ga in hand. And his load? First round was rock salt, next two were bird, then buck from there out! It was the first time I heard of different loads in the same weapon. I was impressed with his creativity. He didn't care if he was now in the city or not, he was going to give someone a taste of salt if the messed with his property!

Luckily, nothing came of it. But the guy garnered a lot of respect from us in the neighborhood, and we welcomed him with open arms. It didn't hurt that word got out on the street.
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That setup is a good way to land in prison, or lose a civil case at least. Any ambulance-caser could make a great argument that the first round being less-than-lethal proves the shooter was not in a reasonable fear for his life when he shot.

Don't play stupyod games like that, you'll only win stupid prizes.
 
Wayne Jr said:
That setup is a good way to land in prison, or lose a civil case at least. Any ambulance-caser could make a great argument that the first round being less-than-lethal proves the shooter was not in a reasonable fear for his life when he shot.

Don't play stupyod games like that, you'll only win stupid prizes.
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It didn't use to be that way. When I was growing up it was very common for farmers to keep rock salt in their shotguns. Usually to keep kids like me from stealing their watermelons. The idea of using rock salt in a shotgun round is as a deterrent, not for personal safety. It was the very first non-lethal round, used by farmers long before COPs began using non-lethal ammunition.

My camp gun is a 12-guage, and I also use different loads. The first 5 rounds are .65 cal. sabot slugs. The last 5 rounds are 00-buck. My camp gun uses a 10-round magazine. I'm loaded for bear, not humans.
 
Glitch said:
It didn't use to be that way. When I was growing up it was very common for farmers to keep rock salt in their shotguns. Usually to keep kids like me from stealing their watermelons. The idea of using rock salt in a shotgun round is as a deterrent, not for personal safety. It was the very first non-lethal round, used by farmers long before COPs began using non-lethal ammunition.

My camp gun is a 12-guage, and I also use different loads. The first 5 rounds are .65 cal. sabot slugs. The last 5 rounds are 00-buck. My camp gun uses a 10-round magazine. I'm loaded for bear, not humans.
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I have alternating buck and slugs in the shotgun, not sure which is first, figure I'll tell by the hole I put in the bad guy should I ever have too.
 
Renae said:
I have alternating buck and slugs in the shotgun, not sure which is first, figure I'll tell by the hole I put in the bad guy should I ever have too.
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That is a bit of an overkill for a human. Humans are easy to take out.
 
Glitch said:
That is a bit of an overkill for a human. Humans are easy to take out.
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True, but if there is multiple targets, lined up I can get more bang for my buck see.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't guess I understand the need for a safety on a firearm. As long as it's not like a cowboy pistol or flintlock but those have safeties half-****.

The best say to you can have is proper handling
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The safety is designed to prevent accidental discharge. However such safeties existed even then, the half **** was the standard, but but it could fail being grabbed just enough to strike back without hitting half ****, which is why is was common then to carry one less round than max and leave the round on the empty chamber. There was also the safety revolvers in use since the 1880's that used a trigger safetey that prevented fire unless the trigger was fully pulled.


The idea of a safety had little to do with what the user did with the gun in their hand but rather what it did while stored, and in days of horeriding a hammer getting snagged by brush could be deadly.
 
beerftw said:
The safety is designed to prevent accidental discharge. However such safeties existed even then, the half **** was the standard, but but it could fail being grabbed just enough to strike back without hitting half ****, which is why is was common then to carry one less round than max and leave the round on the empty chamber. There was also the safety revolvers in use since the 1880's that used a trigger safetey that prevented fire unless the trigger was fully pulled.


The idea of a safety had little to do with what the user did with the gun in their hand but rather what it did while stored, and in days of horeriding a hammer getting snagged by brush could be deadly.
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Best safety... Store gun unloaded.
 
Renae said:
I was mildly concerned at the lack of a safety, but the trigger on that is quite heavy, which "is" the safety so... there you go.
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The safety is the fact revolvers are double action.
It’s only single action if you pull back the hammer.
 
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