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My new pistol!

Casper said:
Just saw your correction. While I am a huge Ruger fan, I own 10 of their products, I would say a .22 LR is not really the best choice for self defence. Great plinking gun and will do if nothing else is available. My Opinion is a 380 Cal is as small as you want to go and almost every manufacturer makes some good ones, Ruger and Glock being two to look at. Good Luck.
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I agree- I shoot steel matches 6-8 times a month from May through October. I see lots of people shooting lots of 22 semi autos-My wife shoots a SIG Mosquito-a girl I coach shoots a SW Victory, and I shoot a CZ KADET. While they are very reliable, they all have jammed or failed to fire. So I cannot recommend a 22 self loader for self defense. What I can recommend is a 22 Caliber revolver loaded with really hot 22's like the Stingers. That is a good low recoil viable option and if you get a bad round, you just pull the trigger again. But for most people, a 380 or heavier is a better choice.
 
Casper said:
Just saw your correction. While I am a huge Ruger fan, I own 10 of their products, I would say a .22 LR is not really the best choice for self defence. Great plinking gun and will do if nothing else is available. My Opinion is a 380 Cal is as small as you want to go and almost every manufacturer makes some good ones, Ruger and Glock being two to look at. Good Luck.
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I agree, I was more posting the style not so much the caliber. Walther PPK is her... uhm, cheeky answer to that question.
 
TurtleDude said:
I agree- I shoot steel matches 6-8 times a month from May through October. I see lots of people shooting lots of 22 semi autos-My wife shoots a SIG Mosquito-a girl I coach shoots a SW Victory, and I shoot a CZ KADET. While they are very reliable, they all have jammed or failed to fire. So I cannot recommend a 22 self loader for self defense. What I can recommend is a 22 Caliber revolver loaded with really hot 22's like the Stingers. That is a good low recoil viable option and if you get a bad round, you just pull the trigger again. But for most people, a 380 or heavier is a better choice.
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If only I could find a purse big enough to hold it...
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Renae said:
If only I could find a purse big enough to hold it...
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We used to joke those were "guns in search of a need" Years ago, when the original DE came out-someone explained it was the most potent weapon the IDF could fit on the ejection seat of their Kaffir fighter plane. But I never could figure out what I would choose that pistol for. For self defense-its way too heavy to carry constantly and certainly too big to carry concealed-unless I was wearing an arctic parka. Its too heavy to shoot at the speeds GM level USPSA or steel shooters need to run at. For hunting, the big Smith revolvers are more accurate and (at the time) far less money.

and for home defense-a shotgun is a better choice unless you have to search a building, and then, a more maneuverable pistol is a better choice.
 
TurtleDude said:
We used to joke those were "guns in search of a need" Years ago, when the original DE came out-someone explained it was the most potent weapon the IDF could fit on the ejection seat of their Kaffir fighter plane. But I never could figure out what I would choose that pistol for. For self defense-its way too heavy to carry constantly and certainly too big to carry concealed-unless I was wearing an arctic parka. Its too heavy to shoot at the speeds GM level USPSA or steel shooters need to run at. For hunting, the big Smith revolvers are more accurate and (at the time) far less money.

and for home defense-a shotgun is a better choice unless you have to search a building, and then, a more maneuverable pistol is a better choice.
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I am just kidding, that's the sort of gun you get when you have large predators on your property, or are expecting an invasion of aliens with thick hides!
 
Renae said:
I am just kidding, that's the sort of gun you get when you have large predators on your property, or are expecting an invasion of aliens with thick hides!
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If I had large predators on my property or expecting an invasion of aliens with thick hides, I'd have an FN-FAL

Oh wait-I already have three of them. 20 rounds of 308 AP ball in about four seconds. I watched a South African Game warden (on a video) deal with 5 rogue elephants that were destroying crops. The elephants were lined up against a fence-trying to push through it. He drives up with the RSA version of the FN-FAL. 50 yards out-five shots in about 4 seconds-head shoots each elephant with standard military FMJ-pop pop pop pop pop. The first one hit the ground as he was shooting the last one. Now 308 is a bit light for hunting big elephants and when Elephant hunting was legal in Kenya-you were required to use something bigger than 40 caliber-like a 458 WM or a 460 Weatherby but as the Boers proved-(by killing thousands of elephants with the old British 303-as did many Kenyan poachers), FMJ 308 went right through medium sized elephant skulls and put them down.
 
Glitch said:
I was born and raised in southern California and then in 1989 they banned firearms, without a grandfather clause, that I had legally purchased in California years before. As a result, I ended up taking my now illegal firearms and moving to Alaska in 1991. I then became a Life Member of the NRA and joined the Alaska NRA-ILA Steering Committee to draft a State Constitution Amendment declaring "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is an individual right that cannot be infringed upon by the State. The Amendment passed in 1994 with a 77% majority vote. The very LAST thing I want is for Alaska to become anything like California.

I think you will find that is true with many California refugees. They left for a reason, and they do not want to have that same experience in another State.
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Thanks for your interesting comments.

To be fair, I think that many Californians are quite satisfied with the situation here in California. Of course, I love the fantastic weather here in SoCal. I cannot imagine what it must be like in states that are too cold, have too much rain, have heavy snow, and -- of course -- are subject to hurricanes and tornadoes.

To be fair, I think that many Californians are dismayed by various changes (the outrageous cost of housing, the domination of state government by a certain party, and other even more "controversial" developments), so they (especially if they are younger and have marketable skills) are leaving. (I have read that school enrollment here in Los Angeles is actually dropping.)

Best wishes to you in Alaska. I am glad that you up there have that strong state amendment.



Have a great new week!
 
noonereal said:
I don't want a nut job in my feakin' elevator with a gun hidden in a purse.

It's insanity. It is 2020 and morons what to live like it;s 1800.

My recommendation, get some psychiatric help.
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Apparently then you've invented your own little 'issue,' since many armed citizens have been in elevators with you over the years (apparently without your knowledge). And I'm not aware of any people legally carrying having a shootout in an elevator. Got any links?
 
Renae said:
View attachment 67258542Tell me when you've seen this, and I'll show you the OTHER pic and why people are so "WOW".
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My style is more towards natural leathers and western style and there are quite a few manufacturers of very cute western purses for carry.

I dont do alot of fancy dress up, I live and work in jeans. But if I wore skirts more, I'd look into the thigh-carry options.
 
noonereal said:
This is a clowns shoes stupid reply.

Understand. If I get on an elevator with you and I have a gun and intend to victimize you, all your gun can do is make a bad situation worse.

The stupidity to think you are going to open your purse, seach around it for your gun, pull your gun out and shoot before you have 10 bullets in you is INSANE.

What is with you people? Honest? Don't the teach common freakin' sense in read states?
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You dont know anything about purse carry, do you? First, most responsible women have special holsters/mounts in pockets for the gun. 2nd, we practice drawing and shooting. 3rd, you dont even need to draw it from the purse to aim and fire. And 4th, it's pretty common for me to have my hand in my purse, on my firearm (unknown to anyone else) when I am alone with a strange male...including in an elevator. So oopsie...it may get 'ugly' in that elevator, but it's not all going to be one-sided.

Your thinking seems extremely limited on this issue.
 
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Renae said:
It's got a nice strap, I carry it cross shoulder and have no feeling of constraint. I like it, I actually love having a purse, don't losing things like I used too.
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I'm not a fan of carrying purses but find it's usually a necessity.

I'd love it if Bat Belts were in style...I'd wear one in a heartbeat.
 
beancounter said:
There is always the "get drunk and shoot at anything that moves" option. :mrgreen:

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Please tell me he's wearing swim trunks in that video.
 
Lursa said:
Please tell me he's wearing swim trunks in that video.
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That's just the album cover. No video. It was a parody of Nirvana's "Nevermind" album that had a naked baby swimming after a dollar bill. So maybe Al was naked.:)

I believe the only song that got it's own music video from that album was "Smells like Nirvana".

Nevermind - Wikipedia
 
TurtleDude said:
We used to joke those were "guns in search of a need" Years ago, when the original DE came out-someone explained it was the most potent weapon the IDF could fit on the ejection seat of their Kaffir fighter plane. But I never could figure out what I would choose that pistol for. For self defense-its way too heavy to carry constantly and certainly too big to carry concealed-unless I was wearing an arctic parka. Its too heavy to shoot at the speeds GM level USPSA or steel shooters need to run at. For hunting, the big Smith revolvers are more accurate and (at the time) far less money.

and for home defense-a shotgun is a better choice unless you have to search a building, and then, a more maneuverable pistol is a better choice.
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A .50 cal. Desert Eagle might be a good choice if you live in my State. The .454 Casull is another popular handgun in Alaska. Personally, I prefer the Ruger .44 Mag. Super Redhawk with a special load. However, my primary camp gun is an Akdal MKA 1919. I never go anywhere in Alaska without a camp gun and a back-up handgun capable of taking out a 1,000+ pound brown bear.
 
Glitch said:
I was born and raised in southern California and then in 1989 they banned firearms, without a grandfather clause, that I had legally purchased in California years before. As a result, I ended up taking my now illegal firearms and moving to Alaska in 1991. I then became a Life Member of the NRA and joined the Alaska NRA-ILA Steering Committee to draft a State Constitution Amendment declaring "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is an individual right that cannot be infringed upon by the State. The Amendment passed in 1994 with a 77% majority vote. The very LAST thing I want is for Alaska to become anything like California.

I think you will find that is true with many California refugees. They left for a reason, and they do not want to have that same experience in another State.
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I like a man that acts decisively. And that sure seems the case, here! Wow!
 
TurtleDude said:
I agree- I shoot steel matches 6-8 times a month from May through October. I see lots of people shooting lots of 22 semi autos-My wife shoots a SIG Mosquito-a girl I coach shoots a SW Victory, and I shoot a CZ KADET. While they are very reliable, they all have jammed or failed to fire. So I cannot recommend a 22 self loader for self defense. What I can recommend is a 22 Caliber revolver loaded with really hot 22's like the Stingers. That is a good low recoil viable option and if you get a bad round, you just pull the trigger again. But for most people, a 380 or heavier is a better choice.
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My experience is the same as yours: 22 LR will definitely jam an auto. There's no way around it, sooner or later it happens. If someone insists on a pocket-pipsqueak like a Berreta Model 25 .22LR, at least get it in 25 ACP! Just be warned that if you shoot somebody with it, they might get mad and hurt you! :mrgreen:

But I once had an interesting .22 piece though, a satin stainless Smith J frame with a 6" barrel in .22 WMR. They were once marketed as "fisherman's" guns. Crazy as it sounds, when going for Muskie - which in WI is a minimum 40" keeper - landing the damn thing is not only difficult but also endangers the boat's occupants. Muskie are not above taking a thumb, or a piece of your ankle or hand. So back in the day before bringing it in the boat they used a club to knock the thing out, or dispatched it with a well placed .22 round to the head (for fish not to be mounted). Yeah it was a long time ago, and back then keepers were only 32", but it's an interesting tid-bit from days gone by and the way things were.

And interestingly, after using it in a light wheelgun like the Smith J frame, I actually grew quite fond of the little .22 WMR round.
 
Chomsky said:
My experience is the same as yours: 22 LR will definitely jam an auto. There's no way around it, sooner or later it happens. If someone insists on a pocket-pipsqueak like a Berreta Model 25 .22LR, at least get it in 25 ACP! Just be warned that if you shoot somebody with it, they might get mad and hurt you! :mrgreen:

But I once had an interesting .22 piece though, a satin stainless Smith J frame with a 6" barrel in .22 WMR. They were once marketed as "fisherman's" guns. Crazy as it sounds, when going for Muskie - which in WI is a minimum 40" keeper - landing the damn thing is not only difficult but also endangers the boat's occupants. Muskie are not above taking a thumb, or a piece of your ankle or hand. So back in the day before bringing it in the boat they used a club to knock the thing out, or dispatched it with a well placed .22 round to the head (for fish not to be mounted). Yeah it was a long time ago, and back then keepers were only 32", but it's an interesting tid-bit from days gone by and the way things were.

And interestingly, after using it in a light wheelgun like the Smith J frame, I actually grew quite fond of the little .22 WMR round.
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Yes, the main argument for the 25ACP is being centerfire-it was highly reliable-even in zinc or pot metal guns like the infamous Raven (which tons of cops carried as backups). The famed late NY Stakeout squad commander Jimmy Cirillo used to carry a 22 SHORT beretta. One of my late shooting friends was shooting in the pro division of the "Soldier of Fortune" 3G shoot-held concurrently with their national convention-where JC was a speaker (and I believe Marylin Chambers was one of the hostesses!). JC was out jogging before the shoot, and some of the shooters were asking him what was HIS backup gun. JC-wearing running shorts and sweat bands-said 22 short and one of the gunshop commandoes started laughing and said WTC can you do with that little gun-well JC had the beretta stashed under the wide sweat band on his wrist-popped it out and smiled and said-shoot you right in the eyeball! During one of his stakeouts, he was trying to get a mope who was holding a cashier hostage-to drop a gun. Apparently popping that little Minx out and sticking it in the eye of the mope, ended the situation.
 
Glitch said:
A .50 cal. Desert Eagle might be a good choice if you live in my State. The .454 Casull is another popular handgun in Alaska. Personally, I prefer the Ruger .44 Mag. Super Redhawk with a special load. However, my primary camp gun is an Akdal MKA 1919. I never go anywhere in Alaska without a camp gun and a back-up handgun capable of taking out a 1,000+ pound brown bear.
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I know several guys who fly fish in Alaska and their handgun of choice is a Glock 10MM due to the fact it carries 15 rounds, is very easy to fire quickly and accurately, and weighs far less than those big hand cannon N or bigger framed Smith Revolvers. Hot 10MM is a very potent round and 4-5 of them in a couple of seconds is probably more likely to stop anything compared to one hit of a big 460 or 500 revolver round
 
Glitch said:
A .50 cal. Desert Eagle might be a good choice if you live in my State. The .454 Casull is another popular handgun in Alaska. Personally, I prefer the Ruger .44 Mag. Super Redhawk with a special load. However, my primary camp gun is an Akdal MKA 1919. I never go anywhere in Alaska without a camp gun and a back-up handgun capable of taking out a 1,000+ pound brown bear.
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I grew-up in a lower-48 dense urban environment in a big-city. Just out of high school, one of my close neighborhood buddies suffered a tragic physical accident. It really sent his head for a spin. After surviving it and recuperating, he took off for Alaska. This was in the 70's, and even then he was able to homestead! Homestead! Yep, he got a bunch of acres for pretty much free, but he had to stay up there and build a structure on the property, along with several other things, in order to make it legit. Now he may have been a city-slicker (though I assure you he was one damn tough streetwise S.O.B.), but he swore he never took his .44 Mag revolver from his immediate side. Never. Bears will do that to you, I suppose.

I hadn't thought of him for awhile, and I'm still amazed Alaska had federal homesteading as late as the 1970's. It blows me away, to be honest.
 
~ The nice thing about self-defense with a firearm is you likely will never have to actually shoot anyone. Most perpetrators retreat at the sight of a gun .👌
 
LosAngelesAngel said:
~ The nice thing about self-defense with a firearm is you likely will never have to actually shoot anyone. Most perpetrators retreat at the sight of a gun .[emoji108]
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That's why people open carry :)
 
TurtleDude said:
Yes, the main argument for the 25ACP is being centerfire-it was highly reliable-even in zinc or pot metal guns like the infamous Raven (which tons of cops carried as backups). The famed late NY Stakeout squad commander Jimmy Cirillo used to carry a 22 SHORT beretta. One of my late shooting friends was shooting in the pro division of the "Soldier of Fortune" 3G shoot-held concurrently with their national convention-where JC was a speaker (and I believe Marylin Chambers was one of the hostesses!). JC was out jogging before the shoot, and some of the shooters were asking him what was HIS backup gun. JC-wearing running shorts and sweat bands-said 22 short and one of the gunshop commandoes started laughing and said WTC can you do with that little gun-well JC had the beretta stashed under the wide sweat band on his wrist-popped it out and smiled and said-shoot you right in the eyeball! During one of his stakeouts, he was trying to get a mope who was holding a cashier hostage-to drop a gun. Apparently popping that little Minx out and sticking it in the eye of the mope, ended the situation.
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The Minx *is* is what I referred to above. But I called it a Model 25, which was wrong. It's actually a Model 950. I had one. It's a cool little gun, about the size of a hardpack of smokes. But it was solid, well-built, well machined, and reliable. It also had this great feature where you press a little lever that looks like a safety, and instead a spring actuated mechanism pops the barrel up for cleaning!

Considering the state of general technology and industrial manufacturing in the 60's/70's, along with the usual Italian penchant for poor manufacturing and quality control, I found the Berettas from that era to be really well manufactured. I think they were the equal of whatever Colt, Smith, and Browning were doing at the time.
 
Chomsky said:
The Minx *is* is what I referred to above. But I called it a Model 25, which was wrong. It's actually a Model 950. I had one. It's a cool little gun, about the size of a hardpack of smokes. But it was solid, well-built, well machined, and reliable. It also had this great feature where you press a little lever that looks like a safety, and instead a spring actuated mechanism pops the barrel up for cleaning!

Considering the state of general technology and industrial manufacturing in the 60's/70's, along with the usual Italian penchant for poor manufacturing and quality control, I found the Berettas from that era to be really well manufactured. I think they were the equal of whatever Colt, Smith, and Browning were doing at the time.
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I never thought Italian guns were poorly made-in the late 70s I won the Junior Nationals with a Perazzi MT 6 Olympic skeet gun and it was as well made a gun I ever shot. And I have one of those little Minx-950s (single action) in 22LR. I bought it at a range-a woman came in at closing and said her boyfriend got it for her but she wanted something bigger. The owner noted his cost on a new one was much less than what she had bought it for and thus he didn't need a used one. So i offered her a fair price (around 80 bucks IIRC)-new they were about 120, and I still have it, though I haven't shot it in over 20 years.
 
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