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Ask Amy: My daughter lives with me and owns a gun. Can I kick her out?

justabubba said:
a huge difference. i am delighted to know you can see it
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Carrying a gun and being well trained on how to use it, that's called being smart, especially if you're a petite woman.
 
j brown's body said:
Generally, I look at them like cigarettes. They are public health menace, but I don't really care if people have them in their homes. Statistics do tell us that the odds are not in your favor, but, like smoking, that is a personal decision.
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I suppose guns could be a public health menace depending on how you want to look at it, for instance, trying to victimize somebody who might be carrying a gun can be very bad for your health.
 
jaeger19 said:
No.. the position is that you are capable of defending yourself better with a firearm.. than without. Just like I am more likely to be able to extinguish a fire. if I have a fire extinguisher etc.

YOU on the other hand.. seem to fear that your fellow citizens.. because you fear that with a firearm.. they will hurt you.

Kind of like this Father. He fears his daughter.. because she has a gun?

IF he fears his daughter with a gun.. he should be afraid if she has a knife.. or a car.. or a myriad of other things that could be dangerous if she uses it against him.

think about that... why do you fear your fellow citizens? I mean.. why do you fear them having a gun... but are okay with that same person having say a car.. that they could drive over you with?
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i don't fear my fellow citizens
that is why i am comfortable being among them without a fire arm on my person
which is why i conclude that one must be afraid to be among people if they insist on carrying a gun

now let's go to the question you asked:
Kind of like this Father. He fears his daughter.. because she has a gun?
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i can only come up with two scenarios for this
1. the father is unreasonably paranoid, even of his daughter
2. the daughter is so untrustworthy the father fears for his safety around her, especially since she is in possession of a handgun

bottom line, one of them is ****ed up
given that certain existence of mental impairment (by at least one of them), a handgun also being resident is not a good idea
 
j brown's body said:
I do think that if a kid takes his dad's gun to school and shoots up the place, the dad should be punished as much as the kid.
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In some cases I agree, for instance if the dad knowingly allows the kid access to the gun then he should be punished.
 
=JMR;1070227840]the daughter has a responsibility to declare the presence of the gun.
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Yeah even when she knows dear old dad will flip out on her. And probably suspects she becomes a criminal in his eyes. An unbalanced one.
She has a right to own it, she has no right to keep it in the house her father owns if he does not want it there.
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Wait a second,she has a right to own it but no right to keep it in the house? Of course contingent on dear old dad.
You don't seem to recognize the right of people to determine they will not have guns in their household.
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Just to be sure I re-read the OP and am forced to conclude that it's just daughter and dear old dad (or mom has no say it) so who is he frightened of his daughter,or himself because he's afraid the gun will influence his thinking and turn him into some kind of maniacal killer.
 
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Do you lock your doors? Have a fire extiguisher in your kitchen? Alarm system? First aid kit?
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=justabubba;1070227924]and i can also walk in public without being afraid and without possessing a fire arm
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What does that have to do with the question? I mean other than you'd prefer not to answer it.
pleased to say i am not a barney fife wannabe like so many ammoholics
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Always gotta be someone with the quick and silly one liner.
 
=justabubba;1070228263]now, your position is that you are being a vigilante
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How does defending yourself or fellow citizen turn you into a vigilante?
always ready with a fire arm to defend your fellow citizens
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Obviously you are a pacifist, but if you(insert wife here if applicable)were going to your car and some thug came up to you with a 12'' Bowie knife, would you care if an armed citizen got involved and stopped the threat or just say "I got it thanks"?
the reality is you carry because you are afraid
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The reality is that just because you don't care for your own ass dosen't mean it's a universal feeling.
Like it or not shi* happens all the time.
 
=vegas giants;1070230061]Vigilantism does not require a mob.
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Of that we caan agree.
It certainly can be a single person on a vendetta
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Vigilante justice, as defined by the Legal Information Institute, is the “actions of a single person or group of people who claim to enforce the law but lack the legal authority to do so.” Vigilantism itself is not illegal under U.S. law but involves actions that are oftentimes illegal.Nov 7, 2018
Let's say it can be a thin grey line. Defense of ones self or someone else would = justified. Now just saying yeah he looks guilty of something=not justified. But then justabubble is the one off on the vigilante trail.
 
justabubba said:
i don't fear my fellow citizens
that is why i am comfortable being among them without a fire arm on my person
which is why i conclude that one must be afraid to be among people if they insist on carrying a gun

now let's go to the question you asked:

i can only come up with two scenarios for this
1. the father is unreasonably paranoid, even of his daughter
2. the daughter is so untrustworthy the father fears for his safety around her, especially since she is in possession of a handgun

bottom line, one of them is ****ed up
given that certain existence of mental impairment (by at least one of them), a handgun also being resident is not a good idea
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But yet he describes her as, Dear Amy: This week, I discovered that my intelligent, hard-working, responsible 24-year-old daughter (who lives with me) is a gun owner! And it’s not a normal gun, either — it is a 40-caliber semi-automatic, and she has hollow-point bullets to go with it.
 
X Factor said:
Maybe, but remember, she has a large gun.
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Are you suggesting she waa use the gun against her father? Thus implying his fears may be justified. Aside from that what did mean by the her having a large gun comment?
 
zsu2357 said:
How does defending yourself or fellow citizen turn you into a vigilante?
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that is not what he said. being a person of 'virtue', he assured that his reason to carry was to defend fellow citizen bystanders. he was carrying in order to be a lone vigilante

Obviously you are a pacifist, but if you(insert wife here if applicable)were going to your car and some thug came up to you with a 12'' Bowie knife, would you care if an armed citizen got involved and stopped the threat or just say "I got it thanks"?
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i doubt that would be an occasion for me to engage in a discussion with a bystander
the last time this happened, 37 years ago, my girl friend, who i was moving to my city, and i managed to avoid any negative outcomes from the threat of four hoodlums in her own community, when we were gassing up for the return of the moving van
that incident did not make me afraid, because i continued not to carry
a few months prior to that incident i was ambushed by an ornery patron of the VFW where i had been bartending. the black eye he gave me possibly cost me a job working for Senator John Glenn, who inquired about it during my interview the following day
that incident did not make me afraid, because i continued not to carry

The reality is that just because you don't care for your own ass dosen't mean it's a universal feeling.
Like it or not shi* happens all the time.
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i care for my ass - too much so, some of my friends might be inclined to agree
but i am not a ***** and i am not afraid
so, i don't carry
 
justabubba said:
a knowledgeable one
i doubt there is one near you
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certainly not one conversing with me. We get the fact you don't like handguns and want more government control. But sadly for you, what you want is unconstitutional.
 
zsu2357 said:
But yet he describes her as, Dear Amy: This week, I discovered that my intelligent, hard-working, responsible 24-year-old daughter (who lives with me) is a gun owner! And it’s not a normal gun, either — it is a 40-caliber semi-automatic, and she has hollow-point bullets to go with it.
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I agree with another poster-this entire story is fictional
 
calamity said:
Males are too hotheaded, in general, to be trusted with a gun, IMO.
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That says more about the males you attract than men in general. Maybe you need to hang out with a better class of man.
 
justabubba said:
i don't fear my fellow citizens
that is why i am comfortable being among them without a fire arm on my person
which is why i conclude that one must be afraid to be among people if they insist on carrying a gun
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Well.. if you are comfortable with them.. then why do you worry if they have a gun or not?

can only come up with two scenarios for this
1. the father is unreasonably paranoid, even of his daughter
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And according to the OP..the father has sung the praises of his daughter in all other things... so.. it seems that he is unreasonable paranoid of FIREARMS.
 
Lursa said:
Yes, at it's most basic, that is the issue here and yes...IMO the home owner has the right to allow guns in the home or not.

His decision could be based on many things. His own fear or ignorance of guns. His belief that his daughter is not responsible enough to own a gun safely. Those are 2 legit. reasons right there.
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I agree. Also as the homeowner he doesn't even have to have a legit reason.
 
=justabubba;1070231581]that is not what he said. being a person of 'virtue', he assured that his reason to carry was to defend fellow citizen bystanders. he was carrying in order to be a lone vigilante
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Page 11- POST 110, YOU are the one that started the whole vigilante thing.
i doubt that would be an occasion for me to engage in a discussion with a bystander
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Either you missed the point or are dodging the question. 37 years later you are not the Superman you may have been then. Would you thank the armed citizen for getting involved or not?
the last time this happened, 37 years ago, my girl friend, who i was moving to my city, and i managed to avoid any negative outcomes from the threat of four hoodlums in her own community, when we were gassing up for the return of the moving van
that incident did not make me afraid, because i continued not to carry
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Also 37 years ago things were somewhat different. Maybe you got lucky.
a few months prior to that incident i was ambushed by an ornery patron of the VFW where i had been bartending. the black eye he gave me possibly cost me a job working for Senator John Glenn, who inquired about it during my interview the following day
that incident did not make me afraid, because i continued not to carry
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And you could have just as easily had the hell beat out of you or worse. Unless it happened inside and you mean by "ambushed" sucker punched.

i care for my ass - too much so, some of my friends might be inclined to agree
but i am not a ***** and i am not afraid
so, i don't carry
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Not saying you are one but you are 37 years older to. Just like I'm not a ***** either,but 37 years can have an effect.
 
zsu2357 said:
Page 11- POST 110, YOU are the one that started the whole vigilante thing.

Either you missed the point or are dodging the question. 37 years later you are not the Superman you may have been then. Would you thank the armed citizen for getting involved or not?

Also 37 years ago things were somewhat different. Maybe you got lucky.

And you could have just as easily had the hell beat out of you or worse. Unless it happened inside and you mean by "ambushed" sucker punched.


Not saying you are one but you are 37 years older to. Just like I'm not a ***** either,but 37 years can have an effect.
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here is the vigilante's post in its entirety:
apdst said:
Not fear; diligence. If you want to let down your fellow citizens, that's your right. I choose to excercise my right to be ready for my fellow citizens and try to save lives. Sit back and do nothing while you watch them die, if you want.
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[bold emphasis added by bubba so the forum member could actually read it this time]
 
Ask Amy: Correcting the record on ammo and guns - Chicago Tribune

So Amy has decided to correct a certain inaccuracy in her story -
I reached out to Eric Delbert, a second-generation law enforcement officer and owner (with his father) of LEPD firearms range and training facility in Columbus, Ohio, who patiently described the characteristics of hollow point bullets. They do not explode. They expand. This ammunition seems to be only partially banned in one state (New Jersey). He also pointed out that the .40-caliber semi-automatic is extremely popular, and in his opinion an appropriate choice for this young woman.
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and her ignorance in regard to the subject of guns and ammunition in no way means she is incapable of expressing an opinion regarding gun safety -
Many angry readers also suggested that my ignorance of firearms and ammunition disqualifies me from commenting on gun ownership or gun violence. Obviously, I disagree. I don’t have to know the intricacies of a car engine to advocate for commonsense driving and licensing laws.
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Well, nobody is arguing that you can't have an opinion, Amy. We're just saying that your opinion is horribly misinformed and appears to be based on emotion rather than facts.

And someone like me — small, physically inept and (according to many commenters) not too bright and/or possibly deranged — has no business wielding a gun. Most important, I don’t want to own a gun, and so I will exercise my right not to own one or allow one in my home.
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Amy, if you don't want to own or use a gun that's fine. If you're uncomfortable with a gun in your hands then I certainly don't want to force you into it. It's your right to choose, by all means.

But...

Being small of stature and physically inept is one of the many reasons people choose to be armed. They believe that having a gun might allow them to address a threat that, otherwise, their stature would hinder them in addressing. But, like I said before, that's for them to decide and it doesn't mean you should decide the same.

I wonder, however, if confronted with a situation where firearms are in play, perhaps, you might call for armed people to defend you and/or others who find themselves in harms way.

Amy, to inform you a bit more, it isn't the gun that's the problem. It's the individual and not all individuals are the same. Some should not have guns...some. Many, if not most, however, make your surroundings a little safer because they are carrying and can respond should the need arise.
 
Lutherf said:
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Dear, Holy ****!!!!

That's not advice. It's catering to every fear the gun grabbers have. It's willful ignorance or, worse, intentional dishonesty.
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exploding ammunition? Last I checked hollow points were expanding ammunition to deliver more energy to the target rather than it passive through with less energy transfer. About as idiotic as calling green tips or steel core armor piercing, steel core can be but onyly hardened steel which the us nato and even russia list as black tips, green tips in america or nato or silver tips in russia are soft steel cores designed to penetrate farther than pure lead but still expand like similar to lead but slower.


Add any uninformed gun argument and you can see quite often the people making the arguments or claims have no idea what they are talking about.
 
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