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Do Guns Really Lead to a Polite Society?

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Do more guns really lead to a more polite society? It sure doesn't look like it.

Marine veteran shot and killed while trying to apologize in road rage encounter

Not when people are killed for trying to apologize.

Hmm...both guys seem to have been "good guys" with a gun.

A passenger in the BMW, Andre Sinclair, 22, got out and shot Byrne in the chest as he sat in his truck. Byrne fired back with his own weapon, hitting Sinclair twice.

“Mr. Byrne was acting in self-defense when he ultimately fired back at Mr. Sinclair,” Davie police Sgt. Mark Leone told the news station.

Both men held concealed-carry permits, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinal.
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Two "good guys," two guns...what do you think happened?

Byrne died at the scene; Sinclair was taken to a hospital, where he died two days later.
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:doh
 
calamity said:
Do more guns really lead to a more polite society? It sure doesn't look like it.

Marine veteran shot and killed while trying to apologize in road rage encounter

Not when people are killed for trying to apologize.

Hmm...both guys seem to have been "good guys" with a gun.



Two "good guys," two guns...what do you think happened?



:doh
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Do more guns really lead to a more polite society?
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It seems not in our majority minority urban areas it doesn't


But as for your example?

1 example out of millions of gun owners with millions of guns?
 
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Luther said:
It seems not in our majority minority urban areas it doesn't


But as for your example?

1 example out of millions of gun owners with millions of guns?
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I am a gun owner, have been my whole life, a multiple gun owner at that. We have a constitutional right to gun ownership. However, let's not pretend there are no societal costs to the right. We have a murder rate that is 3 to 5 times what any of our developed peer nations have. A higher murder rate is a societal cost to higher gun ownership rates just like enduring the Klan and Nazi assholes is a societal cost to freedom of expression. Guns are fun, but they are also very efficient tools of death.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am a gun owner, have been my whole life, a multiple gun owner at that. We have a constitutional right to gun ownership. However, let's not pretend there are no societal costs to the right. We have a murder rate that is 3 to 5 times what any of our developed peer nations have. A higher murder rate is a societal cost to higher gun ownership rates just like enduring the Klan and Nazi assholes is a societal cost to freedom of expression. Guns are fun, but they are also very efficient tools of death.
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I'd say the benefits outway the costs, when its 30k deaths a year compared to 500k to 3 million defensive uses a year.

As for OP's bad faith question, go to a gun range and act a fool, see what happens.
 
calamity said:
Do more guns really lead to a more polite society? It sure doesn't look like it.

Marine veteran shot and killed while trying to apologize in road rage encounter

Not when people are killed for trying to apologize.

Hmm...both guys seem to have been "good guys" with a gun.

Two "good guys," two guns...what do you think happened?

:doh
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All generalizations are wrong.

And i’m Not sure how you call someone who shoots someone else over being cut off a “good guy.”
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am a gun owner, have been my whole life, a multiple gun owner at that. We have a constitutional right to gun ownership. However, let's not pretend there are no societal costs to the right. We have a murder rate that is 3 to 5 times what any of our developed peer nations have. A higher murder rate is a societal cost to higher gun ownership rates just like enduring the Klan and Nazi assholes is a societal cost to freedom of expression. Guns are fun, but they are also very efficient tools of death.
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I own guns too and they are fun. But it would not kill me to fill.out a form if it might save some lives
 
Spartacus FPV said:
I'd say the benefits outway the costs, when its 30k deaths a year compared to 500k to 3 million defensive uses a year.

As for OP's bad faith question, go to a gun range and act a fool, see what happens.
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Even then, why do we need to use it defensively 3 million times a year? A lot of that has to do with the fact we got more guns floating around than people. The guy in the article used his gun defensively. Why do Canadians not need to use guns defensively in similar proportions? Why do Germans not need to, or the French?

The benefits of guns is that they are fun and are a useful tool for hunting and so on. They don't make us safer as a whole though.
 
vegas giants said:
I own guns too and they are fun. But it would not kill me to fill.out a form if it might save some lives
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According to the OP link, and even bolded in that source link quote, both gun owners filled out forms and that did not save either's life.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
According to the OP link, and even bolded in that source link quote, both gun owners filled out forms and that did not save either's life.
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You mean the system is not perfect????

Well then just abandon all laws....they don't work perfectly
 
vegas giants said:
You mean the system is not perfect????

Well then just abandon all laws....they don't work perfectly
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How about we institute a new tax to pay for it, then? We can call it the Bill of Rights Ensurement Act.

As a would be gun owner, I would be required to have the funds to purchase the actual gun, ammo, accessories...and as US tax paying citizens, ALL would give a little so I pay not out of pocket for classes, fees, forms, registration, etc. Just my time to learn would be required, nothing else.

Fair?
 
KevinKohler said:
How about we institute a new tax to pay for it, then? We can call it the Bill of Rights Ensurement Act.

As a would be gun owner, I would be required to have the funds to purchase the actual gun, ammo, accessories...and as US tax paying citizens, ALL would give a little so I pay not out of pocket for classes, fees, forms, registration, etc. Just my time to learn would be required, nothing else.

Fair?
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Fine with me
 
calamity said:
Do more guns really lead to a more polite society? It sure doesn't look like it.

Marine veteran shot and killed while trying to apologize in road rage encounter

Not when people are killed for trying to apologize.

Hmm...both guys seem to have been "good guys" with a gun.



Two "good guys," two guns...what do you think happened?



:doh
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More polite? Hard to say.

Certainly an argument can be made that gun ownership has exposed a group of assholes who complain about it.
 
vegas giants said:
You mean the system is not perfect????

Well then just abandon all laws....they don't work perfectly
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Nope, I mean that since criminals do not obey laws then adding more of them is not going to matter to criminals.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, I mean that since criminals do not obey laws then adding more of them is not going to matter to criminals.
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No. What you are saying is since criminals dont obey laws...all laws are pointless.
 
vegas giants said:
No. What you are saying is since criminals dont obey laws...all laws are pointless.
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Not at all, laws (coupled with their enforcement and due process) allow us to prevent criminals from roaming freely among us.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Not at all, laws (coupled with their enforcement and due process) allow us to prevent criminals from roaming freely among us.
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Good. Let's get some more gun control ones
 
Do guns really lead to a polite society? Sure they do. Ever been to Front Sight? If you go there on a busy week, which is most weeks, there will be hundreds of people there. Everybody's got guns. They're very polite.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Do guns really lead to a polite society? Sure they do. Ever been to Front Sight? If you go there on a busy week, which is most weeks, there will be hundreds of people there. Everybody's got guns. They're very polite.
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That is not a society. It is a business. In a society people work and live and go to school....etc
 
Luther said:
It seems not in our majority minority urban areas it doesn't


But as for your example?

1 example out of millions of gun owners with millions of guns?
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Of course, blame the "Blacks." :roll:
 
KevinKohler said:
To elaborate...

In CT, its about 200$ in licensing and fees. Apply that nationally, 150 million gun owners....and the math gets kinda crazy.
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Money well spent
 
ocean515 said:
More polite? Hard to say.

Certainly an argument can be made that gun ownership has exposed a group of assholes who complain about it.
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Now that's irony, considering this thread will be about ten pro-gun posts for each one favoring control, most of which denying the carnage or making excuses for it.
 
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