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Obama's still stupid...

And Trump has already accomplished more in the way of “gun control” than Obama did in eight years. Who’da thunk it?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
And Trump has already accomplished more in the way of “gun control” than Obama did in eight years. Who’da thunk it?
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That is a false assertion because we do know that Obama judges have ruled against the second amendment in many district and circuit cases.
 
TurtleDude said:
That is a false assertion because we do know that Obama judges have ruled against the second amendment in many district and circuit cases.
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Obama judges. Implying that judges appointed during the Obama administration don't respect the constitution. What a strange judicial system you have. Are there also now Trump judges?
Hey, that judge that was listening to the Trump University fraud case, what was his name? Hispanic name, I remember Trump saying he couldn't make an unbiased decision because of his heritage. He must have been an Obama judge too, I guess.
 
TurtleDude said:
That is a false assertion because we do know that Obama judges have ruled against the second amendment in many district and circuit cases.
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Really? What laws/regulations did the Obama administration enact?

Trump has already outlawed bump stocks (which I’m good with).

Justice Department Bans Bump Stocks, Devices Used In Deadly Las Vegas Shooting
The Trump administration is banning bump stocks, the firearm attachment that allows a semiautomatic weapon to shoot almost as fast as a machine gun.

The devices, also known as slide fires, came under intense scrutiny after they were used by the gunman who opened fire on a country music concert in Las Vegas last year, killing 58 people.

The massacre touched off a public outcry, including from some lawmakers, for the accessories to be banned.

Under a new federal rule announced Tuesday by the Justice Department, bump stocks will be redefined as "machine guns" and therefore outlawed under existing law.

The Politics Of Bump Stocks, 1 Year After Las Vegas Shooting
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The Politics Of Bump Stocks, 1 Year After Las Vegas Shooting
The new regulations, which were signed by acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, will take effect 90 days after being published in the Federal Register. A Justice Department official said that would likely happen Friday.

Current bump stock owners will have the 90 days before the new rule takes effect to either destroy the devices they own or turn them in to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Bump Stocks Banned By Trump Administration : NPR
 
Grand Mal said:
Obama judges. Implying that judges appointed during the Obama administration don't respect the constitution. What a strange judicial system you have. Are there also now Trump judges?
Hey, that judge that was listening to the Trump University fraud case, what was his name? Hispanic name, I remember Trump saying he couldn't make an unbiased decision because of his heritage. He must have been an Obama judge too, I guess.
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Oh, I remember that guy. Didn’t Trump say because he’s of Mexican ancestry (born and raised in the US of A), the judge couldn’t be impartial?
 
Obama’s record.

List of Obama Gun Control Measures
President Barack Obama's record on gun control is a fairly weak one, even though he was often portrayed as the "most anti-gun president in American history" and called for more regulations in the wake of the numerous mass shootings that occurred during his two terms in office. "We do not have to accept this carnage as the price of freedom," Obama said in 2016. The National Rifle Association once claimed Obama's "obsession with gun control knows no boundaries."

Did You Know?
Only two gun laws made it through Congress during Obama's two terms in office, and neither placed additional restrictions on gun owners.
In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States. Attempts to limit the size of gun magazines, expand background checks of gun buyers and ban gun sales to buyers on terrorism watch lists all failed to pass under Obama.

Perhaps the most significant Obama gun control measure was not a law but a rule that required the Social Security Administration to report disability-benefit recipients with mental health conditions to the FBI’s background check system, which is used to screen firearm buyers. Obama's successor, Republican President Donald Trump, rescinded the rule in 2017.

Obama Gun Control Proposals Had No Teeth
That is not to say Obama was not critical of the use of guns to commit the numerous mass shootings and acts of terrorism during his tenure in the White House. Quite the opposite. Obama sharply criticized the gun lobby and the easy access to firearms.

Obama also made curtailing gun violence a central theme of his second-term agenda after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in December 2012. The president signed executive orders calling for mandatory criminal background checks on gun-buyers and several other measures that were unpopular in Congress including a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

But he was unable to win passage of new laws and insisted authorities do more to enforce measures already on the books.

Executive Actions Not Executive Orders
Critics, however, point to Obama's issuance of 23 executive actions on gun violence in January 2016 as proof that the Democratic president was anti-gun. What most fail to point out is that those executive actions contained no new laws or regulations; and they were not executive orders, which are different than executive actions.

"For all the pomp and ceremony, nothing in the president’s proposals is going to put a dent in U.S. gun crime or even substantially change the federal legal landscape. In that sense, apoplectic opponents and overjoyed supporters are both probably overreacting," wrote Adam Bates, a policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute's Project on Criminal Justice.

Gun Laws Signed by Obama Expanded Rights
During his first term, Obama didn't call for any major new restriction on guns or gun owners. Instead, he urged authorities to enforce the state and federal laws already on the books. In fact, Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners.

One of the laws allows gun owners to carry weapons in national parks; that law took effect in February 2012 and replaced President Ronald Reagan's policy of required guns be locked in glove compartments of trunks of cars that enter national parks.

Another gun law signed by Obama allows Amtrak passengers to carry guns in checked baggage, a move that reversed a measure put in place after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

A Strong Tradition of Gun Ownership
Obama often mentions the expansion of gun rights under those two laws. He wrote in 2011:

"In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners—it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and Obama repeatedly expressed support for the Second Amendment, explaining that

"If you’ve got a rifle, you’ve got a shotgun, you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it away."
List of Obama Gun Control Measures and Executive Orders

What say you, TD?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Really? What laws/regulations did the Obama administration enact?

Trump has already outlawed bump stocks (which I’m good with).

Justice Department Bans Bump Stocks, Devices Used In Deadly Las Vegas Shooting
The Trump administration is banning bump stocks, the firearm attachment that allows a semiautomatic weapon to shoot almost as fast as a machine gun.

The devices, also known as slide fires, came under intense scrutiny after they were used by the gunman who opened fire on a country music concert in Las Vegas last year, killing 58 people.

The massacre touched off a public outcry, including from some lawmakers, for the accessories to be banned.

Under a new federal rule announced Tuesday by the Justice Department, bump stocks will be redefined as "machine guns" and therefore outlawed under existing law.

The Politics Of Bump Stocks, 1 Year After Las Vegas Shooting
NATIONAL
The Politics Of Bump Stocks, 1 Year After Las Vegas Shooting
The new regulations, which were signed by acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, will take effect 90 days after being published in the Federal Register. A Justice Department official said that would likely happen Friday.

Current bump stock owners will have the 90 days before the new rule takes effect to either destroy the devices they own or turn them in to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Bump Stocks Banned By Trump Administration : NPR
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Let me ask you a question-if Diane Feinstein was senate majority leader in 2009, rather than Harry Reid, what do you think would have happened wit DiFi's attempts to reinstate the clinton gun ban?
 
TurtleDude said:
Let me ask you a question-if Diane Feinstein was senate majority leader in 2009, rather than Harry Reid, what do you think would have happened wit DiFi's attempts to reinstate the clinton gun ban?
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Let me ask you, what do you have to say about your last post?
TurtleDude said:
That is a false assertion because we do know that Obama judges have ruled against the second amendment in many district and circuit cases.
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RaleBulgarian said:
Let me ask you, what do you have to say about your last post?
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How did Sotomayor vote in McDonald. You all are confusing what Obama WANTED to do with what he Was ABLE to do. Dirty Harry never sent him a gun bill because Harry didn't want a repeat of 1994. After the 2010 elections, anti gun nonsense was DOA
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Oh, I remember that guy. Didn’t Trump say because he’s of Mexican ancestry (born and raised in the US of A), the judge couldn’t be impartial?
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No, he said because this Judge had ruled unfavorably in other of Trump's business matters and was of Mexican heritage and personally opposed to the wall, he wouldn't be impartial. At the time, President Trump was still being 100% himself and speaking bluntly and what he honestly believed. He wasn't considering what 'politically correct' speech demands. He is slowly learning to be more measured, i.e. politely dishonest, in his speech now like all other politicians.
 
TurtleDude said:
How did Sotomayor vote in McDonald. You all are confusing what Obama WANTED to do with what he Was ABLE to do. Dirty Harry never sent him a gun bill because Harry didn't want a repeat of 1994. After the 2010 elections, anti gun nonsense was DOA
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Sotomayor is no more Obama than Kavanaugh is Trump. And no, I’m not confusing anything. If you disagree with the information contained in my posted references (#7, and #9), please post your argument.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No, he said because this Judge had ruled unfavorably in other of Trump's business matters and was of Mexican heritage and personally opposed to the wall, he wouldn't be impartial. At the time, President Trump was still being 100% himself and speaking bluntly and what he honestly believed. He wasn't considering what 'politically correct' speech demands. He is slowly learning to be more measured, i.e. politely dishonest, in his speech now like all other politicians.
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You might believe what you said, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t complete bull****.

“Donald Trump on Thursday escalated his attacks on the federal judge presiding over civil fraud lawsuits against Trump University, amid criticism from legal observers who say the presumptive GOP presidential nominee’s comments are an unusual affront on an independent judiciary.

In an interview, Mr. Trump said U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel had “an absolute conflict” in presiding over the litigation given that he was “of Mexican heritage” and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association. Mr. Trump said the background of the judge, who was born in Indiana to Mexican immigrants, was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. “I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest,” Mr. Trump said.

The New York businessman also alleged the judge was a former colleague and friend of one of the Trump University plaintiffs’ lawyers. The judge and the lawyer once worked together as federal prosecutors, but the lawyer, Jason Forge, in an interview said he had never seen the judge socially.”
Trump Says Judge’s Mexican Heritage Presents ‘Absolute Conflict’ - WSJ
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You might believe what you said, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t complete bull****.

“Donald Trump on Thursday escalated his attacks on the federal judge presiding over civil fraud lawsuits against Trump University, amid criticism from legal observers who say the presumptive GOP presidential nominee’s comments are an unusual affront on an independent judiciary.

In an interview, Mr. Trump said U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel had “an absolute conflict” in presiding over the litigation given that he was “of Mexican heritage” and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association. Mr. Trump said the background of the judge, who was born in Indiana to Mexican immigrants, was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. “I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest,” Mr. Trump said.

The New York businessman also alleged the judge was a former colleague and friend of one of the Trump University plaintiffs’ lawyers. The judge and the lawyer once worked together as federal prosecutors, but the lawyer, Jason Forge, in an interview said he had never seen the judge socially.”
Trump Says Judge’s Mexican Heritage Presents ‘Absolute Conflict’ - WSJ
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I am well aware of the history. Nothing you posted contradicts anything I posted.
 
TurtleDude said:
That is a false assertion because we do know that Obama judges have ruled against the second amendment in many district and circuit cases.
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Trump supported the bump stock ban. Trump also supports red flag laws. Trump says he doesn't like suppressors. Not even Obama took those positions when he was in office.
 
apdst said:
...and a liar...

Barack Obama wrong on limits of US gun laws, machine gun sales | PolitiFact
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This was the first thing that caught my attention. This dude had to be high on weed when making these senseless assertions. He sets himself up to be ridiculed. As a former dictator he should keep his mouth shut or keep singing Al Green songs. Perhaps he lies and says the songs he sings is his own.
 
PTF said:
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This was the first thing that caught my attention. This dude had to be high on weed when making these senseless assertions. He sets himself up to be ridiculed. As a former dictator he should keep his mouth shut or keep singing Al Green songs. Perhaps he lies and says the songs he sings is his own.
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He's just a ****ing idiot.
 
apdst said:
He's just a ****ing idiot.
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Just to think there are folks around here and outside DP given a chance they would vote this dude back into power if there was a third term availability. The carelessness of the obama regime should teach us all a lesson that Joey Biden is the wrong man for 2020.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Trump supported the bump stock ban. Trump also supports red flag laws. Trump says he doesn't like suppressors. Not even Obama took those positions when he was in office.
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Tell me truthfully. If another major 2nd Amendment case comes before the supreme court-would you rather have Gorsuch or Merrick Garland being the swing vote? or Kavanaugh versus another woman who is a clone of Kagan?
 
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