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The Rise Of Mass Knife Attacks Around The World Shows...

Wayne Jr

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The Rise Of Mass Knife Attacks Around The World Shows The Problem Isn't Guns. It's People
by quoth the raven - Jun 8, 2019 12:32 pm

In China, where firearms are tightly restricted, it’s probably no surprise that those who want to hurt people found another way to do it. The dramatic rise of knife attacks around the world shows that the problem these days isn’t with guns. It’s with people. Mass knife attacks have become so common over the years that a Chinese police department recently released a video to teach citizens how to defend themselves against knife-wielding assailants and it has gone viral, with 16 million views in just a few days. It has subtitles and some great advice that even I would be able to follow. All humor aside, some folks in the US who want to do away with the Second Amendment are probably saying smugly, “Well, knife attacks are bad, but only people with GUNS can kill dozens of victims quickly.”

Those folks would be wrong.

For example…
  • In 2014, 33 people were killed and 130 more were injured when a group of men coordinated a terror attack using knives at a train station in southwest China’s Yunnan Province.
  • In 2015, fifty workers at a Chinese coal mine were killed in a coordinated knife attack. Fifty more workers were injured.
  • In 2016, a facility for the disabled was attacked by a man with a knife. He killed 15 people and injured 45, then later surrendered himself to police.
  • In 2017, 18 people walking down a city street were injured when a man attacked them with a knife
  • 13 people were seriously injured by a knife-wielding assailant at a shopping mall in Beijing earlier this year. One woman died from her injuries.



This tells me that it isn’t really a problem with guns. It’s a problem with people. ..."

Banning firearms is not the answer. Crime is caused by poor socio-economic opportunity and poor healthcare. To talk about gun control is to immediately drop the topic of reducing crime.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The Rise Of Mass Knife Attacks Around The World Shows The Problem Isn't Guns. It's People
by quoth the raven - Jun 8, 2019 12:32 pm

In China, where firearms are tightly restricted, it’s probably no surprise that those who want to hurt people found another way to do it. The dramatic rise of knife attacks around the world shows that the problem these days isn’t with guns. It’s with people. Mass knife attacks have become so common over the years that a Chinese police department recently released a video to teach citizens how to defend themselves against knife-wielding assailants and it has gone viral, with 16 million views in just a few days. It has subtitles and some great advice that even I would be able to follow. All humor aside, some folks in the US who want to do away with the Second Amendment are probably saying smugly, “Well, knife attacks are bad, but only people with GUNS can kill dozens of victims quickly.”

Those folks would be wrong.

For example…
  • In 2014, 33 people were killed and 130 more were injured when a group of men coordinated a terror attack using knives at a train station in southwest China’s Yunnan Province.
  • In 2015, fifty workers at a Chinese coal mine were killed in a coordinated knife attack. Fifty more workers were injured.
  • In 2016, a facility for the disabled was attacked by a man with a knife. He killed 15 people and injured 45, then later surrendered himself to police.
  • In 2017, 18 people walking down a city street were injured when a man attacked them with a knife
  • 13 people were seriously injured by a knife-wielding assailant at a shopping mall in Beijing earlier this year. One woman died from her injuries.



This tells me that it isn’t really a problem with guns. It’s a problem with people. ..."

Banning firearms is not the answer. Crime is caused by poor socio-economic opportunity and poor healthcare. To talk about gun control is to immediately drop the topic of reducing crime.
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Actually, tge Second Amendment doesn'tcsay anything about guns, it says "bear arns " i would argue that a knife constitutes being armed.

I think the main difference is that with a knife, you can't walk into a McDonald's and start spraying knives around indiscriminately.
 
rocket88 said:
Actually, tge Second Amendment doesn'tcsay anything about guns, it says "bear arns " i would argue that a knife constitutes being armed.

I think the main difference is that with a knife, you can't walk into a McDonald's and start spraying knives around indiscriminately.
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They should ban both...… :roll:
 
rocket88 said:
Actually, tge Second Amendment doesn'tcsay anything about guns, it says "bear arns " i would argue that a knife constitutes being armed.
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Please don't drunk-post.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The dramatic rise of knife attacks around the world shows that the problem these days isn’t with guns.
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I’m curious about this purported “dramatic rise of knife attacks around the world”. Given the article only listed a handful of high-profile incidents from a couple of countries, I don’t think they’ve supported the general assertion.

Wayne Jr said:
“Well, knife attacks are bad, but only people with GUNS can kill dozens of victims quickly.”
Those folks would be wrong.
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Of course that isn’t wrong is it? While it’s certainly possible for knife attacks to lead to multiple deaths and injuries, especially with multiple assailants, it is undeniable that firearms have a fundamental capability to kill many more. If that wasn’t the case, he’d be arguing for the right to carry a knife to defend himself rather than a gun.

The whole piece just seems to be a dishonest attempt to take some spin about knife crimes and present that as some kind of argument in favour of unrestricted gun ownership. Just like plenty of the arguments in the opposite direction, it’s just wrong, and I’m sure the writer knows it.

Wayne Jr said:
Banning firearms is not the answer. Crime is caused by poor socio-economic opportunity and poor healthcare. To talk about gun control is to immediately drop the topic of reducing crime.
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Answer to what? Different crimes have a whole range of different causes and influencing factors. That means there are loads of different ideas, policies and methods to address them. Some form of gun control (and indeed, some form of private gun ownership) can easily be one of those many things. It’s wrong to present it as the be-all and end-all but it’s equally wrong to dismiss it out of hand.
 
rocket88 said:
I think the main difference is that with a knife, you can't walk into a McDonald's and start spraying knives around indiscriminately.
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You can't do that with most guns either, unless the gun is a full automatic.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You can't do that with most guns either, unless the gun is a full automatic.
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True, most guns. You can still do some pretty good damage with a semiautomatic though, so that's not really the point.
 
rocket88 said:
True, most guns. You can still do some pretty good damage with a semiautomatic though, so that's not really the point.
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I'd argue one could do more damage with a semiauto - especially rifles like the AR-15. Full auto may sound scary but creates more recoil, meaning more missed shots between hits, greater spread and more frequent reloads (it takes less than three seconds to empty a 30 round mag at 700 rpm). A trained, or at least practiced, shooter on semiauto can get more hits with less waste, which is why infantrymen are expected to leave full auto up to their SAW gunners: to suppress the enemy. For a rifleman, semi is more accurate and effective.

So when gun nuts quibble over the terminology, semi, full or just 'auto' it's kinda silly: semi is how most mass-shootings have taken place and has proven more deadly. Mass shooters don't go in looking to suppress.

Now as for knives it will always be harder to kill more people because they'll be running, you have to get in close and make a good cut: they're not as efficient as guns. The lack of range also makes it 'easier' to rush a knife wielder, especially from behind, though I wouldn't like to try it.

The other thing with knives is -absent the coordinated terror incidents named in the OP - is that the video in the OP is spot on, whether it was meant to be funny or not. You can just run away from a random assailant on the street if you see it coming. If you're faster than he is, he can't drop you at twenty yards in the back.
 
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ocean515 said:
They should ban both...… :roll:
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Sure. We'll put you down as being in favor of banning all guns (which is not even the position of most left wingers).

You're trying so hard to be sarcastic and totally failing. Care to contribute sonething of use?
 
Good final points by the OP, but he appears to have brought a knife to a gun fight.

... Sorry about that.
 
rocket88 said:
Sure. We'll put you down as being in favor of banning all guns (which is not even the position of most left wingers).

You're trying so hard to be sarcastic and totally failing. Care to contribute sonething of use?
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Just trying to be like you.....:2wave:

But in truth, I didn't know my sarcasm would trigger some people.
 
rocket88 said:
True, most guns. You can still do some pretty good damage with a semiautomatic though, so that's not really the point.
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With a semiautomatic long gun you can do lots of damage, but with a handgun not so much since handguns, including semi automatic handguns, are ballistically deficient.
 
DebateChallenge said:
With a semiautomatic long gun you can do lots of damage, but with a handgun not so much since handguns, including semi automatic handguns, are ballistically deficient.
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Nonsense
 
vegas giants said:
Nonsense
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You obviously don't know guns all that well, at least not in terms of the ballistic differences between handguns and long guns.

Stephen Paddock wouldn't've been able to do the damage he did and wouldn't've been able to kill so many people from the hotel window if all he had was handguns.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You obviously don't know guns all that well, at least not in terms of the ballistic differences between handguns and long guns.

Stephen Paddock wouldn't've been able to do the damage he did and wouldn't've been able to kill so many people from the hotel window if all he had was handguns.
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Dude you can do a lot of damage with a pistol. You could kill a dozen people before someone stopped you
 
DebateChallenge said:
With a semiautomatic long gun you can do lots of damage, but with a handgun not so much since handguns, including semi automatic handguns, are ballistically deficient.
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My point is way over your head here.

No matter what kind of gun, you likely can kill more people more quickly than with a knife. So they're not really the same are they?
 
ocean515 said:
Just trying to be like you.....:2wave:

But in truth, I didn't know my sarcasm would trigger some people.
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Touche.

Fyi, i'm not in favor of banning guns. I am in favor of regulating them. Permits, background checks, stuff like that. If you should need a photo ID to vote, you should need one to own a gun. If you need a license to drive a car, you should need one to own a gun (make sure you can operate it safely and know when not to use it).

None of which infringes your rights.
 
rocket88 said:
Touche.

Fyi, i'm not in favor of banning guns. I am in favor of regulating them. Permits, background checks, stuff like that. If you should need a photo ID to vote, you should need one to own a gun. If you need a license to drive a car, you should need one to own a gun (make sure you can operate it safely and know when not to use it).

None of which infringes your rights.
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You are mistaken-no other constitutional right requires a license.
 
TurtleDude said:
You are mistaken-no other constitutional right requires a license.
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Well, your right to have a march or a rally requires a permit, yes? Is that not a Constitutional right? The Republican party pushes hard that a photo ID be required to excercise your right to vote, which is also a Constitutional right.

Really, the Second Amendment comes right out and says that a "well regulated militia" is a good thing, not an unregulated militia.
 
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