CT Gov. signs new gun laws into effect today

Gov. signs new gun laws into effect today
Ayah Galal, Rob Polansky Posted 9 hrs ago

"HARTFORD, CT (WFSB) - Connecticut's governor signed two new gun safety laws into effect on Friday.
.....Ghost guns are considered firearms in which people buy untraceable parts and assemble the gun at home. The parts can be made with a 3D printer.In a statement President of the CCDL (Connecticut Citizens Defense League) Scott Wilson said "The so-called 'Ghost Gun Law' (Public Act 19-6) makes it very hard for people who traditionally build firearms to be able to do so. There are already numerous laws at both the state and federal level that are supposed to prevent criminals from possessing firearms. Violent criminals will simply continue to steal guns the same way that they have been doing all along."

As far as the vehicle storage law is concerned, the bill requires handguns to be locked in a safe, which is then placed in a trunk or locked in a glove box when the vehicle is unattended. Wilson issued a statement on that as well, saying "The Motor Vehicle Storage Law(Public Act 19-7) does nothing to disincentivize criminals from attempting to steal firearms. The act simply punishes a victim of a crime. While gun owners need to be responsible with their firearms, this measure is a completely illogical approach." Lawmakers also passed a third law, known as Ethan's Law, which requires loaded and unloaded firearms to be safely stored in homes with people under the age of 18. That law is expected to be signed by Lamont next week. ..."

I don't really care about the 'ghost gun' issue one way or the other. I welcome your opinion on the issue.

The Safe Storage laws are good ideas, though, and could've prevented the 2 incidents we've recently discussed on this forum about a toddler finding a gun and shooting himself, and a kid finding a gun in someone's open-air jeep and shooting his mother, had similar laws been in force in those respective states. It's sad that we have to make laws about things gun owners should already be doing on their own in the first place. I would further disagree with Mr. Willson in that making guns harder to access does disincentivize crimes of opportunity.

1. Ghost guns sounds like a term invented by anti-2nd amendment trash to scare people into thinking something about the guns they are not. Like how the term assault weapon is meant to scare people into thinking civilian firearms are really military firearms when they are not. If people want to make their own guns then they should be able to just as if you want to print your own book or make your own protest sign then you should be able to without government interference. If criminals are actually making their own guns then this law isn't going to stop them.

2. I don't support forcing people to own safes just to exercise their right to own a gun. I do support better firearm safety education.We should teach that in our schools. After all well tell kids to not run with scissors so they don't hurt themselves. We tell kids to not talk to strangers so that Chester the child molester doesn't abduct them.We tell kids to not do drugs so that they don't become losers in society who either end up in prison or dead. We teach safe sex in school so that kids can try to avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancies. I even seen a PSA once telling teen girls they shouldn't send nude pictures to your boyfriend because he may share those pictures and you'll be slut shamed and your reputation destroyed. But in a country with an enshrined right to keep and bear arms and over 300 million firearms in the hands of civilians one would think firearm safety would be mandatory in schools all across the country just like reading and math are.

3.The whole purpose of having a loaded fire is for self defense. Which is kind of hard if its locked away at home.

jamesrage said:

2. I don't support forcing people to own safes just to exercise their right to own a gun. I do support better firearm safety education. We should teach that in our schools. After all well tell kids to not run with scissors so they don't hurt themselves. We tell kids to not talk to strangers so that Chester the child molester doesn't abduct them. We tell kids to not do drugs so that they don't become losers in society who either end up in prison or dead. We teach safe sex in school so that kids can try to avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancies. I even seen a PSA once telling teen girls they shouldn't send nude pictures to your boyfriend because he may share those pictures and you'll be slut-shamed and your reputation destroyed. But in a country with an enshrined right to keep and bear arms and over 300 million firearms in the hands of civilians, one would think firearm safety would be mandatory in schools all across the country just like reading and math are.

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I would love to see basic firearm safety as part of the mandatory high school curriculum.

jamesrage said:

3. The whole purpose of having a loaded fire is for self-defense. Which is kind of hard if it's locked away at home.

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If you're leaving your gun in your home when you leave your home, or in your car when you walk away from your car, then you weren't using that gun for self-defense anyway. Since you aren't using it for self-defense, lock it up, I say.

Wayne Jr said:

I would love to see basic firearm safety as part of the mandatory high school curriculum.


If you're leaving your gun in your home when you leave your home, or in your car when you walk away from your car, then you weren't using that gun for self-defense anyway. Since you aren't using it for self-defense, lock it up, I say.

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I agree you should lock it up if it ain't being used. But at the same time your right to keep and bear arms shouldn't depend on whether or not you can afford a safe. This is nothing more than an attempt by anti-2nd amendment trash to make exercising your 2nd amendment rights that much more expensive. Plus safes are not unbreakable.Depending on the constructing they can be defeated with power tools, hack saws, fireman's ax, and various other tools someone can easily get.

jamesrage said:

I agree you should lock it up if it ain't being used. But at the same time your right to keep and bear arms shouldn't depend on whether or not you can afford a safe. This is nothing more than an attempt by anti-2nd amendment trash to make exercising your 2nd amendment rights that much more expensive. Plus safes are not unbreakable.Depending on the constructing they can be defeated with power tools, hack saws, fireman's ax, and various other tools someone can easily get.

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Safes cost less than the gun itself. Price isn't an excuse.

Wayne Jr said:

Safes cost less than the gun itself. Price isn't an excuse.

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I am sure you can find some safes that cost less than a gun.However I doubt those will stop a criminal from breaking into them.

Wayne Jr said:

Gov. signs new gun laws into effect today
Ayah Galal, Rob Polansky Posted 9 hrs ago

"HARTFORD, CT (WFSB) - Connecticut's governor signed two new gun safety laws into effect on Friday.
.....Ghost guns are considered firearms in which people buy untraceable parts and assemble the gun at home. The parts can be made with a 3D printer.In a statement President of the CCDL (Connecticut Citizens Defense League) Scott Wilson said "The so-called 'Ghost Gun Law' (Public Act 19-6) makes it very hard for people who traditionally build firearms to be able to do so. There are already numerous laws at both the state and federal level that are supposed to prevent criminals from possessing firearms. Violent criminals will simply continue to steal guns the same way that they have been doing all along."

As far as the vehicle storage law is concerned, the bill requires handguns to be locked in a safe, which is then placed in a trunk or locked in a glove box when the vehicle is unattended. Wilson issued a statement on that as well, saying "The Motor Vehicle Storage Law(Public Act 19-7) does nothing to disincentivize criminals from attempting to steal firearms. The act simply punishes a victim of a crime. While gun owners need to be responsible with their firearms, this measure is a completely illogical approach." Lawmakers also passed a third law, known as Ethan's Law, which requires loaded and unloaded firearms to be safely stored in homes with people under the age of 18. That law is expected to be signed by Lamont next week. ..."

I don't really care about the 'ghost gun' issue one way or the other. I welcome your opinion on the issue.

The Safe Storage laws are good ideas, though, and could've prevented the 2 incidents we've recently discussed on this forum about a toddler finding a gun and shooting himself, and a kid finding a gun in someone's open-air jeep and shooting his mother, had similar laws been in force in those respective states. It's sad that we have to make laws about things gun owners should already be doing on their own in the first place. I would further disagree with Mr. Willson in that making guns harder to access does disincentivize crimes of opportunity.

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spitballing here, so bear with me

will these provisions requiring storage in safes cause gun owners whose weapons have been stolen, not to report such thefts
because to report them would cause law enforcement to evidence that the weapon owners had not been compliant with the state law
the reporting gun owner would not have only lost his weapon(s) but would also risk a violation for reporting such thefts

maybe the greater good is the increased security which outweighs the decrease of guns reported stolen, but there does appear to be a downside to the gun control aspect

jamesrage said:

I am sure you can find some safes that cost less than a gun.However I doubt those will stop a criminal from breaking into them.

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It certainly stops children from getting into them, which we've had 2 threads about recently.

justabubba said:

spitballing here, so bear with me

will these provisions requiring storage in safes cause gun owners whose weapons have been stolen, not to report such thefts
because to report them would cause law enforcement to evidence that the weapon owners had not been compliant with the state law
the reporting gun owner would not have only lost his weapon(s) but would also risk a violation for reporting such thefts

maybe the greater good is the increased security which outweighs the decrease of guns reported stolen, but there does appear to be a downside to the gun control aspect

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I linked to the text of the law, you would have to read through it to know. I don't think reporting guns as stolen does any good anyway. It's not like the cops can say 'oh your gun was stolen, here, let me see where your gun is right now'.

jamesrage said:

1. Ghost guns sounds like a term invented by anti-2nd amendment trash to scare people into thinking something about the guns they are not. Like how the term assault weapon is meant to scare people into thinking civilian firearms are really military firearms when they are not. If people want to make their own guns then they should be able to just as if you want to print your own book or make your own protest sign then you should be able to without government interference. If criminals are actually making their own guns then this law isn't going to stop them.

2. I don't support forcing people to own safes just to exercise their right to own a gun. I do support better firearm safety education.We should teach that in our schools. After all well tell kids to not run with scissors so they don't hurt themselves. We tell kids to not talk to strangers so that Chester the child molester doesn't abduct them.We tell kids to not do drugs so that they don't become losers in society who either end up in prison or dead. We teach safe sex in school so that kids can try to avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancies. I even seen a PSA once telling teen girls they shouldn't send nude pictures to your boyfriend because he may share those pictures and you'll be slut shamed and your reputation destroyed. But in a country with an enshrined right to keep and bear arms and over 300 million firearms in the hands of civilians one would think firearm safety would be mandatory in schools all across the country just like reading and math are.

3.The whole purpose of having a loaded fire is for self defense. Which is kind of hard if its locked away at home.

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I agree with number three. I do not own a firearm but if I did, it would be loaded at all times while in my home. As you say, what's the sense of having a firearm if it's in a safe? It's why I say all the time when folks use the term law abiding citizens and their right to own a firearm, how many actually follow their own state's rules? We as a nation seem to have lost the ability to use common sense. Personally I'm against firearms, too many deaths from them for whatever the reasons. Some common sense controls would be nice but even as a democrat I'm not for randomly taking away firearms. It would be nice if the gun owners themselves came forward with some common sense ideas to try to reduce us slaughtering ourselves.

I too am just spitballing so be gentle, as I do own firearms, so I am a little bit on the fence about this stuff.

*Would a vehicle gun safe be workable if it came with an RFID accessory, such as a tag, ring, wristband or whatever that the safe can use to detect the presence of the gun owner, and ONLY the gun owner? Thus, if you're not near the gun safe, it won't open....well, unless someone destroys the safe in order to break into it, of course.

*Will so called ghost gun prohibitions stop people from assembling firearms? Nope, definitely not.

*Should firearm safety be taught in secondary schools? I think it's an excellent idea AND...it's also excellent for people who choose NOT to own or use a gun as well, because even if you're NOT a fan of guns, it's better that you understand the subject, understand how firearms work, and learn respect for what they are and learn best safe operating and handling practices.

If you never touch or go near a gun for the rest of your life, fine...but at least you know understand what's what. You will now understand the facts, which I think is essential for gun safety for everybody.

You might never choose to build a campfire in your entire life but it's a smart idea if you're taught fire safety, yes?
Well, same with guns. You might not own or use one but they're all around, they're everywhere.
Common sense suggests that even a non-gun person have a clear understanding of them.

And in addition, gun LAWS must also be taught in those gun safety classes regardless of people's opinions of said laws.
Everyone should be aware of what those laws are, what their intention is, what they allow and what is prohibited.

bongsaway said:

I agree with number three. I do not own a firearm but if I did, it would be loaded at all times while in my home.

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I keep my main home defense pistol in a loaded state.
The other pistol has a clip partially inserted so that it only needs to be clicked into position and the pistol cycled to put one in the chamber.

Wayne Jr said:

Safes cost less than the gun itself. Price isn't an excuse.

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I suspect you wouldn't say that if you were in the bottom 10% in terms of income.

and you are not truthful. Some guns cost 200 dollars, most safes are at least that much. My three biggest safes all cost over 3000 dollars.

bongsaway said:

It would be nice if the gun owners themselves came forward with some common sense ideas to try to reduce us slaughtering ourselves.

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The main factor that reduces that issue is the Despair Factor. There's a lot of talk about quality of life in various countries and societies, and I have always been convinced that if a society is happier overall in a generalized sense, we end up with less incidents of this nature.
The kind of people who commit senseless acts of violence are desperate people, and gun violence is just violence, and calling it "gun violence" doesn't define the violent aspect any better, because in an imaginary world where the physics of a firearm wasn't possible, it would be something else instead. Therefore, gun violence is just violence, and happier societies have less violence, healthier societies have less violence, harmonious societies have less violence.

For the most part I love you all my fellow Americans and contrary to the current popular trends, I think we're planting the seeds of our own destruction and selling ourselves the very rope we're hanging ourselves with.
It is unhealthy to speak in glowing terms about "sticking it to" a group you don't agree with, it is unwise to do such a thing, it is destructive and counterproductive.
We're supposed to create at least some "veneer" of an overall sense of being equal participants, thus we're all supposed to regard ourselves as Americans, and just that basic sense of mutual respect is key to an overall greater sense of mutual harmony.

Wayne Jr said:

Gov. signs new gun laws into effect today
Ayah Galal, Rob Polansky Posted 9 hrs ago

"HARTFORD, CT (WFSB) - Connecticut's governor signed two new gun safety laws into effect on Friday.
.....Ghost guns are considered firearms in which people buy untraceable parts and assemble the gun at home. The parts can be made with a 3D printer.In a statement President of the CCDL (Connecticut Citizens Defense League) Scott Wilson said "The so-called 'Ghost Gun Law' (Public Act 19-6) makes it very hard for people who traditionally build firearms to be able to do so. There are already numerous laws at both the state and federal level that are supposed to prevent criminals from possessing firearms. Violent criminals will simply continue to steal guns the same way that they have been doing all along."

As far as the vehicle storage law is concerned, the bill requires handguns to be locked in a safe, which is then placed in a trunk or locked in a glove box when the vehicle is unattended. Wilson issued a statement on that as well, saying "The Motor Vehicle Storage Law(Public Act 19-7) does nothing to disincentivize criminals from attempting to steal firearms. The act simply punishes a victim of a crime. While gun owners need to be responsible with their firearms, this measure is a completely illogical approach." Lawmakers also passed a third law, known as Ethan's Law, which requires loaded and unloaded firearms to be safely stored in homes with people under the age of 18. That law is expected to be signed by Lamont next week. ..."

I don't really care about the 'ghost gun' issue one way or the other. I welcome your opinion on the issue.

The Safe Storage laws are good ideas, though, and could've prevented the 2 incidents we've recently discussed on this forum about a toddler finding a gun and shooting himself, and a kid finding a gun in someone's open-air jeep and shooting his mother, had similar laws been in force in those respective states. It's sad that we have to make laws about things gun owners should already be doing on their own in the first place. I would further disagree with Mr. Willson in that making guns harder to access does disincentivize crimes of opportunity.

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Connecticut.....very low crime and gun deaths.


Must be a coincidence

Remember that the purpose of all of these prohibition laws, whether drugs or guns, is not to enforce compliance with the law but to provide a pretext for selectively punishing noncompliance with the law.

TurtleDude said:

My three biggest safes all cost over 3000 dollars.

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Weird flex but ok.

vegas giants said:

Connecticut.....very low crime and gun deaths.


Must be a coincidence

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It's a crazy concept...when your guns are locked up, other people can't get to them. it's almost as if the police and military lockup their guns for a reason, too. Hmm....

bongsaway said:

As you say, what's the sense of having a firearm if it's in a safe?

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The law only requires you to lock up guns that you are not using. Why would you assume the law requires you to lock up a gun you were using?

vegas giants said:

Connecticut.....very low crime and gun deaths.


Must be a coincidence

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Ummmm, not all of CT, sorry.
Parts of Hartford - very violent.
Bridgeport is a serene town on the surface but it's gang infested, and Waterbury is a nightmare.

Very low crime and gun deaths, pffffftttttt, Vermont is very low crime and few gun deaths. :lol:

Korimyr the Rat said:

Remember that the purpose of all of these prohibition laws, whether drugs or guns, is not to enforce compliance with the law but to provide a pretext for selectively punishing noncompliance with the law.

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Ummmmm....yeahNO.
It's just your run of the mill garden variety misguided do-gooderism. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Wayne Jr said:

It's a crazy concept...when your guns are locked up, other people can't get to them. it's almost as if the police and military lockup their guns for a reason, too. Hmm....

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Yeah except police and military TEACH people best safe handling practices, they don't just bang a gavel and whip out a parchment with a law written on it.

The concept to aim for is educating people. You can regulate best safe operating and handling practices but people don't pay attention unless you're teaching them something. You know, it's fun to "politicize" words like "indoctrination" but I swear, if we indoctrinated people about the best and safest ways to handle and operate guns, there wouldn't be very much controversy about simply telling people to store their guns properly.

Even just saying, "This is how cops, military and even professional hunters and marksmen recommend you do this" is effective.
People aren't stupid and they recognize that these are the professionals among us.

Wayne Jr said:

The law only requires you to lock up guns that you are not using. Why would you assume the law requires you to lock up a gun you were using?

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Because some of these laws are difficult to navigate, poorly written, poorly enforced or wrongly interpreted AND wrongly enforced, or enforced for some and not for others, or they're written with the overall intent to make law abiding gun ownership damn near impossible.
Note I said "some", but not all.

If the overall intent of a law is to encourage, reward, incentivize and promote PROPER gun storage, safety, maintenance, handling and operation, then it must be promoted that way, not the way we're seeing right now.

PS: I hereby RETRACT what I said to Korimyr the Rat in Post #21

He might just have a point:

Korimyr the Rat said:

Remember that the purpose of all of these prohibition laws, whether drugs or guns, is not to enforce compliance with the law but to provide a pretext for selectively punishing noncompliance with the law.

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It's just that I don't believe ALL the laws are like that. Many are, though.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Yeah except police and military TEACH people best safe handling practices, they don't just bang a gavel and whip out a parchment with a law written on it.

The concept to aim for is educating people. You can regulate best safe operating and handling practices but people don't pay attention unless you're teaching them something. You know, it's fun to "politicize" words like "indoctrination" but I swear, if we indoctrinated people about the best and safest ways to handle and operate guns, there wouldn't be very much controversy about simply telling people to store their guns properly.

Even just saying, "This is how cops, military and even professional hunters and marksmen recommend you do this" is effective.
People aren't stupid and they recognize that these are the professionals among us.

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You're making the argument for national FOID cards so we can require training to buy a gun. Are you sure you want to make that argument?

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Because some of these laws are difficult to navigate, poorly written, poorly enforced or wrongly interpreted AND wrongly enforced, or enforced for some and not for others, or they're written with the overall intent to make law-abiding gun ownership damn near impossible.
Note I said "some", but not all.

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I gave you a link to the full text of the law in question. What do you find difficult to understand out this specific law?

Wayne Jr said:

You're making the argument for national FOID cards so we can require training to buy a gun. Are you sure you want to make that argument?

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If I was making that argument right now I'd say it straight out, but truth be told, now that you brought it up, I do recommend training.
If this is a culture, and it is, then it makes perfect sense to be inculcated properly into the culture.
Gun ownership is a right but it is at the same time a culture.
A culture is customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.

Purchasing and owning a gun without some kind of proper training is not only uncultured, it's ignorance and I daresay we've got a glut of that.