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CT Gov. signs new gun laws into effect today

Wayne Jr said:
I gave you a link to the full text of the law in question. What do you find difficult to understand out this specific law?
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I was making a generalized statement, not a statement about this particular law in question. The discussion opened up a bit by the time I posted, if you scroll back and re-read you will realize why I said what I said.
 
CLAX1911 said:
If your car is locked and the windows closed somebody has to break in to steal it. Why can't they brake into a small safe?
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The majority of those safes come with cables and instructions on how to secure the safe to your car so that it cannot be stolen. These are 'smash&grab' thieves who don't carry cutting tools.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I was making a generalized statement....
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Yes, and that's the problem. I gave a link to the exact law up for discussion so that you could refer to it and point out real, actual problems, not make useless 'general statements' that aren't based on fact.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The majority of those safes come with cables and instructions on how to secure the safe to your car so that it cannot be stolen. These are 'smash&grab' thieves who don't carry cutting tools.
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But why are you responsible for whatever someone does with your gun if they break into your car but you're not if they break into your safe?

either you're responsible for what someone does with something they steal from you or you're not.
 
CLAX1911 said:
But why are you responsible for whatever someone does with your gun if they break into your car but you're not if they break into your safe?

either you're responsible for what someone does with something they steal from you or you're not.
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uhm... potential hypocrisy aside, can we just stop for a second and examine the premise of this question and how completely bat**** insane and contrary to every halfway rational system of ethics it is?
 
CLAX1911 said:
But why are you responsible for whatever someone does with your gun if they break into your car but you're not if they break into your safe?
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Because stereos and loose change don't kill people. Duh.

CLAX1911 said:
either you're responsible for what someone does with something they steal from you or you're not.
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Incorrect. The more dangerous the item, the more responsibility you have to secure it.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Because stereos and loose change don't kill people. Duh.
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alright so if someone kills you with a gun they stole out of a safety or less dead then if they kill you with one they stole out of a car?


Incorrect. The more dangerous the item, the more responsibility you have to secure it.
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if it's secured in my vehicle it's secure if someone breaks into it they have committed a crime.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
uhm... potential hypocrisy aside, can we just stop for a second and examine the premise of this question and how completely bat**** insane and contrary to every halfway rational system of ethics it is?
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sounds rational to me if someone steals something of mine and commits a crime with it why should I be responsible I'm the victim.
 
jamesrage said:
I agree you should lock it up if it ain't being used. But at the same time your right to keep and bear arms shouldn't depend on whether or not you can afford a safe. This is nothing more than an attempt by anti-2nd amendment trash to make exercising your 2nd amendment rights that much more expensive. Plus safes are not unbreakable.Depending on the constructing they can be defeated with power tools, hack saws, fireman's ax, and various other tools someone can easily get.
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Should it depend on whether you can afford a gun?

Free guns? Free ammo?
 
CLAX1911 said:
alright so if someone kills you with a gun they['ve] stole[n] out of a safety [are you] or less dead then [than] if they kill you with one they stole out of a car?
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The safe is in the car. Read the law, I gave a link to the text. If they take the gun from the safe within the car, then they also take the gun from the car. Unloaded, as the law requires ammunition to be stored separately.

So, we have a tier of outcomes:
1. They don't even find the gun because this kind of crime is a 'smash&grab' where only items in view are even targeted.
2. They find a safe but can't take it because it's cabled to the car and 'smash&grab' thieves don't carry cutting equipment.
3. They overcome the safe and take off with an unloaded gun, which we all know is harmless.

That's the limit Safe Storage laws hold gun owners liable.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Should it depend on whether you can afford a gun?

Free guns? Free ammo?
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There should be a tax deduction for buying a self-defense firearm.
 
CLAX1911 said:
sounds rational to me if someone steals something of mine and commits a crime with it why should I be responsible I'm the victim.
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That's what I'm saying. How completely disconnected from rational thought would someone have to be to pass a law that says being the victim of a crime is a criminal offense?
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
That's what I'm saying. How completely disconnected from rational thought would someone have to be to pass a law that says being the victim of a crime is a criminal offense?
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That's not what the law says or does but you're welcome to your delusions.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Tax deductions are not welfare.
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No, tax reductions aren't welfare. They're welfare with a different name, designed so the right can shout how much they hate welfare, while throwing money at their own people.

Subsidies aren't welfare, but they're still the government throwing money at people.

Word games.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
No, tax reductions aren't welfare. They're welfare with a different name, designed so the right can shout how much they hate welfare, while throwing money at their own people.

Subsidies aren't welfare, but they're still the government throwing money at people.

Word games.
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Well, I don't see eye-to-eye with you because I gave a car to charity last year and the 501c3 organization gave me a voucher I was able to claim for a $500 tax deduction. That's not a government hand-out like welfare.

However, even if tax deductions are welfare, they should still be issued. Every household should have a modern assault rifle, every adult legally able to own a firearm should, at all times, be armed. Even if we call it welfare, I still support it.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Well, I don't see eye-to-eye with you because I gave a car to charity last year and the 501c3 organization gave me a voucher I was able to claim for a $500 tax deduction. That's not a government hand-out like welfare.

However, even if tax deductions are welfare, they should still be issued. Every household should have a modern assault rifle, every adult legally able to own a firearm should, at all times, be armed. Even if we call it welfare, I still support it.
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Well, I disagree.

Guns are part of the problem in the US. Just a part, because there are so many problems.

The US is seemingly unable to run itself properly, properly in the sense that it actually functions as a society that tries to do the best for its people.

Needing guns in a first world country is a sign that it's all going wrong.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The law only requires you to lock up guns that you are not using. Why would you assume the law requires you to lock up a gun you were using?
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I'm wondering and maybe you can help me out? When you say using what does that mean? Using to me means it's shooting. If it's sitting next to you on a table, are you using it? If a person broke into your home would that gun on the table shoot the person? No, so if it's sitting on a table next to you, are you using it?
 
bongsaway said:
I'm wondering and maybe you can help me out? When you say using what does that mean? Using to me means it's shooting. If it's sitting next to you on a table, are you using it? If a person broke into your home would that gun on the table shoot the person? No, so if it's sitting on a table next to you, are you using it?
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you have hit upon the disparity
for some using is having the weapon loaded and ready at any moment they might want to use it
for others, it would be in use only when it was immediately available and not available to another
my take is the law intends for it not to be available for the use of a youth or other innocent potential victim
 
justabubba said:
you have hit upon the disparity
for some using is having the weapon loaded and ready at any moment they might want to use it
for others, it would be in use only when it was immediately available and not available to another
my take is the law intends for it not to be available for the use of a youth or other innocent potential victim
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Let's try another approach. My car is sitting in my carport on the other side of the wall where I'm sitting, five feet away. Am I using it? If a firearm is not in your hands, how can you possibly be 'using' it?
 
Wayne Jr said:
Well, I don't see eye-to-eye with you because I gave a car to charity last year and the 501c3 organization gave me a voucher I was able to claim for a $500 tax deduction. That's not a government hand-out like welfare.

However, even if tax deductions are welfare, they should still be issued. Every household should have a modern assault rifle, every adult legally able to own a firearm should, at all times, be armed. Even if we call it welfare, I still support it.
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May I suggest to you the part of westworld that is the wild west?
 
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