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HR-822 Forces Gun Owners to Obtain Liability Insurance

CLAX1911 said:
It's already covered by your homeowner's why do you need extra
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Does homeowners insurance cover events away from the home?
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you're surrounded by ignorant opinions then it's probably because you're the problem.
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Another non-sequitur, I didn't set the opinions of others.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The right to property. You have to carry insurance if you own a home or business.
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See, you failed, one does not have a RIGHT to property. You have a right to own property. But not a right TO property. And you don't have to carry insurance as rule by law.
 
Renae said:
See, you failed, one does not have a RIGHT to property. You have a right to own property. But not a right TO property.
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Same thing.

Renae said:
And you don't have to carry insurance as rule by law.
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I accept that. Do I have to mention Obama'Care? There is no need for a right to already require insurance for us to begin making rights require insurance, so your argument isn't going to work regardles.
 
Wayne Jr said:
non-sequitur.
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CLAX1911 said:
Such things typically aren't accidents Moon
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Right. It's criminal negligence. Not an accident. Does homeowners insurance cover criminal negligence?
 
Wayne Jr said:
Same thing.


I accept that. Do I have to mention Obama'Care? There is no need for a right to already require insurance for us to begin making rights require insurance, so your argument isn't going to work regardles.
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Actually no, no it's not. There is a huge difference.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Firearm Risk Protection Act of 2019
To prohibit the sale of a firearm to, and the purchase of a firearm by, a person who is not covered by appropriate liability insurance coverage.

Since a lot of you think it's ok to leave guns just laying around your house, and we've had recent stories about kids finding guns and shooting either themselves or others, I guess we're going to have to make a law to ensure the people you are materially damaging can at least get the medical bills paid instead of you just filing bankruptcy after the civil case is over.

I have the USCCA Elite policy and that's what I recommend to others.
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Love it!
 
calamity said:
Love it!
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Make people who leave their guns where children can get them actually accountable for paying damages instead of 'hewhewhew it's my rightz hurhurhur"
 
Wayne Jr said:
You said he was "ultra-left".

The final segment of his video simply talks about proposed gun laws. He never actually endorses any of the policies he mentions.

Kindof how Turtle thinks I support Red Flag laws because I tell people that disobeying this-or-that law will get them red-flagged and their guns took away. I do not support red-flag laws, and I know that disobeying other laws will get you red-flagged. There's an important distinction between discussing something and endorsing something. It's part of how I know Turtle was never a lawyer, probably doesn't even own a gun for all the lack of knowledge he displays.
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I want everyone to go back and read his several comments bragging about red flag seizures and then decide if this claim is truthful. I claim it is not
 
If women need to have a pelvic examine before an abortion, men should have insurance before buying a gun.
 
kitsune said:
Do you object to car owners, poor, black, or otherwise, being required to carry liability insurance?
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Is car ownership a Constitutionally guaranteed right?

hey...heres one you can get behind...make sure voters pass competency tests before enter polling areas. That work for you?
 
Wayne Jr said:
Firearm Risk Protection Act of 2019
To prohibit the sale of a firearm to, and the purchase of a firearm by, a person who is not covered by appropriate liability insurance coverage.

Since a lot of you think it's ok to leave guns just laying around your house, and we've had recent stories about kids finding guns and shooting either themselves or others, I guess we're going to have to make a law to ensure the people you are materially damaging can at least get the medical bills paid instead of you just filing bankruptcy after the civil case is over.

I have the USCCA Elite policy and that's what I recommend to others.
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Just plain stupid.


If your kid gets into my truck and shoots himself..its your fault.. not mine.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Right. It's criminal negligence. Not an accident. Does homeowners insurance cover criminal negligence?
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So your argument is there's no such thing as accidents you can prove a person who has what they call an accident was acting criminally negligent meaning in a way no reasonable person would act?

I'm all ears for how you're going to prove this to where we don't need a court of law to do it anymore.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Nice strawman, 'discrimination against the poor', because you can't address MY argument of making sure the victims of negligent gun owners getting compensated. You can't address that, so you bring up the poor as a diversion. You aren't any good at debating at all.
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Nope..not a strawman.. these types of laws are exactly like jim crow laws. and like the voter ID laws of today. The result will be that poor people.. especially minorities.. that cannot afford the liability insurance..will be disenfranchised... while wealthy people.. especially wealthier WHITE people.. will have access to firearms.

If we are really talking about arguments... likes discuss "negligent gun owners"...let interject a few facts.

Firearms-related fatalities in the U.S. have been decreasing consistently since record keeping began in 1903 and dramatically in the last 20 years.
• In the last 20 years (2002 - 2012), the number of unintentional firearms-related fatalities involving children 14 years of age and under has decreased by 73 percent.
•Unintentional firearms-related fatalities are substantially lower than the number of unintentional fatalities caused by many other forms of injury.
• Firearms are involved in 1.4 percent of unintentional fatalities among children 14 years of age and under and are among the least likely causes of unintentional fatality.
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hmmmmm… so whats your real agenda here.. because safety isn't one of them.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Make people who leave their guns where children can get them actually accountable for paying damages instead of 'hewhewhew it's my rightz hurhurhur"
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Isn't there already a Law to that effect?
 
VanceMack said:
Is car ownership a Constitutionally guaranteed right?

hey...heres one you can get behind...make sure voters pass competency tests before enter polling areas. That work for you?
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Hey, here's something maybe you didn't know. Even Constitutional rights are subject to restriction and limitation.
 
kitsune said:
Hey, here's something maybe you didn't know. Even Constitutional rights are subject to restriction and limitation.
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So you WOULD be OK with literacy tests before allowing peoples votes?
 
jaeger19 said:
Just plain stupid.


If your kid gets into my truck and shoots himself..its your fault.. not mine.
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We just had a thread about a kid who saw someone's pistol sitting in an open-air jeep. The kid took the gun, started playing with it, and ended up shooting his mother. That's absolutely the gun owner's fault.
 
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