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Points of view regarding guns ownership, understanding and handling.

CLAX1911

CLAX1911

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I stumbled upon this channel by happenstance. I find myself disagreeing with him a lot, even in this series of videos. But he did bring up some interesting points. And he explains the arguments about the gun itself much better than I ever heard anyone do it.

It's a little long, but it's worth watching.


 
This poor fellow gets off to bad start by saying:

"If you describe yourself as a law-abiding gun owner, then you are probably part of the problem."

Have no idea why he would make such a ludicrous statement. He really should have edited that comment from the video.

Aside from that gaffe, the rest of the video is pretty good.
 
SkyChief said:
This poor fellow gets off to bad start by saying:

"If you describe yourself as a law-abiding gun owner, then you are probably part of the problem."

Have no idea why he would make such a ludicrous statement. He really should have edited that comment from the video.

Aside from that gaffe, the rest of the video is pretty good.
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Yeah we actually do he explains it in the third video.

If you didn't watch it or you didn't hear it, he explains the reason for the second amendment, and it isn't about hunting or self defense. It's about our ability to kill government agents should they become tyrannical. If they made a law against you having a gun would you take up arms against them? If yes than you would not be a law abiding citizen you'd be a rebel.
 
SkyChief said:
This poor fellow gets off to bad start by saying:

"If you describe yourself as a law-abiding gun owner, then you are probably part of the problem."

Have no idea why he would make such a ludicrous statement. He really should have edited that comment from the video.

Aside from that gaffe, the rest of the video is pretty good.
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Just FYI I cringed when you made that statement but I decided to hear him out.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I stumbled upon this channel by happenstance. I find myself disagreeing with him a lot, even in this series of videos. But he did bring up some interesting points. And he explains the arguments about the gun itself much better than I ever heard anyone do it.

It's a little long, but it's worth watching.


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Thanks for posting the video set, hopefully he will get some to think, and maybe a few will learn something.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I stumbled upon this channel by happenstance. I find myself disagreeing with him a lot, even in this series of videos. But he did bring up some interesting points. And he explains the arguments about the gun itself much better than I ever heard anyone do it.

It's a little long, but it's worth watching.
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I think that if you look you'll see that a number of the 2A advocates on this forum have expressed concern regarding the "open carry" and "street lawyer" crowd. I'll contrast that with the contempt this guy expresses. He, like many on the anti-2A side, paints with a very broad brush. He actually made some really good points and should have stuck with them rather than get all preachy.
 
I have four guns. but not a damn AR, 80% or otherwise. I like unique stuff. I also don't own an "assault rifle", whatever the current definition of that is. If i wanted one, i'd want a a Russian made AK. The guy in the video is not completely correct. .223 or 5.56 is small caliber, but incredibly fast. Not traditional high power, but not a "varmint" caliber either.
 
Lutherf said:
I think that if you look you'll see that a number of the 2A advocates on this forum have expressed concern regarding the "open carry" and "street lawyer" crowd. I'll contrast that with the contempt this guy expresses. He, like many on the anti-2A side, paints with a very broad brush. He actually made some really good points and should have stuck with them rather than get all preachy.
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Yeah he is a bit preachy and I don't agree with him on everything maybe not even half the time. But his perspective was unique.
 
Grandpappy said:
I have four guns. but not a damn AR, 80% or otherwise. I like unique stuff. I also don't own an "assault rifle", whatever the current definition of that is. If i wanted one, i'd want a a Russian made AK. The guy in the video is not completely correct. .223 or 5.56 is small caliber, but incredibly fast. Not traditional high power, but not a "varmint" caliber either.
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I'm a 30.06 guy. I don't own an AR but the point he was making was that it's the most popular rifle in the US.

I'm not a fan of the AR 15.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I stumbled upon this channel by happenstance. I find myself disagreeing with him a lot, even in this series of videos. But he did bring up some interesting points. And he explains the arguments about the gun itself much better than I ever heard anyone do it.

It's a little long, but it's worth watching.


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More later, but having watched all three videos, one thing is very sharply brought into focus: as I've said so often, "the gun crowd and the crooked NRA is what the problem is and bringing all this around".
 
jet57 said:
More later, but having watched all three videos, one thing is very sharply brought into focus: as I've said so often, "the gun crowd and the crooked NRA is what the problem is and bringing all this around".
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I don't remember hearing him say that.
 
jet57 said:
Watch the video: you don't know your own material?
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I did , he didn't say that you're full of it. I didn't think you can give me a timestamp because you can't give a timestamp to something that didn't occur.

thanks for your dishonesty and letting me know how you're going to approach this subject.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I did , he didn't say that you're full of it. I didn't think you can give me a timestamp because you can't give a timestamp to something that didn't occur.

thanks for your dishonesty and letting me know how you're going to approach this subject.
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go to 618 and watch listen too.
 
jet57 said:
go to 618 and watch listen too.
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I'm sorry he didn't mention the NRA once in that video. Nothing you're going to say in this thread from here on out is going to have any credibility with me because you have proven yourself to be untrustworthy.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm sorry he didn't mention the NRA once in that video. Nothing you're going to say in this thread from here on out is going to have any credibility with me because you have proven yourself to be untrustworthy.
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(chuckle)

You don't read well. I said "NRA" (the quote is MINE) HE said that the gun crowd was the problem.

Thanks for your disingenuous mischarachterization of my own quote. At 620: he says , you guys are the problem, those screamin about the second amendment.

I've been sayin that FOR YEARS around here.

YOU - gun guys - are the problem. That phony baloney NRA and their faker patriotism - used to sell GUNS is the problem.

The way you THINK is the problem.

You HAVE no credibility on this issue whatsoever.

Time stamp 6:20; memorize it, live it.


**Addendum: don't forget that you said that a shotgun uses a different load.
 
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jet57 said:
(chuckle)

You don't read well. I said "NRA" (the quote is MINE) HE said that the gun crowd was the problem.

Thanks for your disingenuous mischarachterization of my own quote. At 620: he says , you guys are the problem, those screamin about the second amendment.

I've been sayin that FOR YEARS around here.

YOU - gun guys - are the problem. That phony baloney NRA and their faker patriotism - used to sell GUNS is the problem.

The way you THINK is the problem.

You HAVE no credibility on this issue whatsoever.

Time stamp 6:20; memorize it, live it.


**Addendum: don't forget that you said that a shotgun uses a different load.
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You can't save face.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You can't save face.
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Yours is buried in cream pie dude! You ****ed up; you called me a liar when I used your own material to SHOW how screwed up the gun crowd thinking was.

(chuckle)

You have to eat that one dude.

:lamo
 
jet57 said:
Yours is buried in cream pie dude! You ****ed up; you called me a liar when I used your own material to SHOW how screwed up the gun crowd thinking was.

(chuckle)

You have to eat that one dude.

:lamo
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I'm not reading your posts I don't care what you have to say you couldn't be any less important. Please stop spamming up the thread.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm not reading your posts I don't care what you have to say you couldn't be any less important. Please stop spamming up the thread.
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I'm not spamming up ANY thread dude. I used your own material to prove you wrong. Last I checked, that's perfectly legal in any debate. And such proofs are certainly legal around here as well.
 
jet57 said:
(chuckle)

You don't read well. I said "NRA" (the quote is MINE) HE said that the gun crowd was the problem.

Thanks for your disingenuous mischarachterization of my own quote. At 620: he says , you guys are the problem, those screamin about the second amendment.

I've been sayin that FOR YEARS around here.

YOU - gun guys - are the problem. That phony baloney NRA and their faker patriotism - used to sell GUNS is the problem.

The way you THINK is the problem.

You HAVE no credibility on this issue whatsoever.

Time stamp 6:20; memorize it, live it.


**Addendum: don't forget that you said that a shotgun uses a different load.
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The guy made some thoughtful comments about some people's attitude toward violence, and how any "gun problem" lies there.

If you're so agreeable with that, one has to wonder why you spend so much time railing about banning AR15s.

Do you agree with what he said is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment?
 
RF667799 said:
The guy made some thoughtful comments about some people's attitude toward violence, and how any "gun problem" lies there.

If you're so agreeable with that, one has to wonder why you spend so much time railing about banning AR15s.

Do you agree with what he said is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment?
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That's precisely why I thought this was a good video to post to start a discussion. He says several times it isn't the gun. It's a culture or an attitude, I think there is a lot more to it than that. But I found his commentary interesting
 
RF667799 said:
The guy made some thoughtful comments about some people's attitude toward violence, and how any "gun problem" lies there.

If you're so agreeable with that, one has to wonder why you spend so much time railing about banning AR15s.

Do you agree with what he said is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment?
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Yeah, he commented about the ones screamin about the second amendment and how they want to "look cool". That covers every gun guy on this board and Wayne La Pierre and his minions and right-wing politicians. All of which has the NRA's house a'fire: couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people. And HE DID put the militia into the second amendment combining the right with militia membership, and you guys just hate that.

AR15s, for whatever reason, are the weapon of choice. So they have to go.
 
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