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NYC a safe city?

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Can't say as I blame them though, rent and mortgage is pretty high unless you managed to buy in prior to the turn of the century. Anything after maybe 2002 and it's extremely tough to find an affordable home on a cop salary.
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Apparently there's some cops that make over 400G a year when they work overtime. I wouldn't be surprised if some cops from the NYPD make that amount.
 
DebateChallenge said:
True, in life there are risks no matter where you go, period. But in terms of guns affecting crime rate, there is no indication that more guns leads to more crime.
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In general, that is a true statement, yet the fact that known to be violent convicted criminals are easily able to be armed (again?) is still a problem no matter where you go.
 
vegas giants said:
Where are the levels of illegal gun ownership mentioned?
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If you scroll down to the 12th and 13 paragraphs it says,

"About 2 million people own more than 5.5 million legal guns in Germany for a population of more than 80 million.

On top of that, police unions have estimated that there are up to 20 million more illegally-owned guns in Germany – this would mean roughly 30 guns for every group of 100 people."
 
ttwtt78640 said:
In general, that is a true statement, yet the fact that known to be violent convicted criminals are easily able to be armed (again?) is still a problem no matter where you go.
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I've got a simple solution to prevent convicted criminals from being armed again, keep them in prison.
 
As a native NYer who grew up there in the late 70s and 80s, the city is remarkably safe compared to those times. Gentrification has definitely played a role, as well as an improved economy over the past few decades which helped fuel it. Of course there are still pockets of the city that are not as safe as others, but generally it's a very different city in terms of safety.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I've got a simple solution to prevent convicted criminals from being armed again, keep them in prison.
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That is not likely to happen since the trend is to "clear" most (90%?) of cases using plea deals which lower the criminal charges made and/or lessen the sentences imposed after admitting guilt.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Alright, by that argument Austin has a much lower murder rate than Baltimore and Baltimore has much stricter gun laws. Baltimore might have even stricter gun laws than NYC.
If NYC's murder rate has plummeted its no doubt because of the NYPD, the money that goes into it and the performance of the NYPD.


When you really look into it its safe to say that gun laws don't really affect murder rate one way or the other.
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I wasn't disagreeing with the conclusion of your argument, just the structure of your argument itself.

There actually is a weak correlation between lower murder rates and stricter gun laws, but no reason to believe it's causal.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You're from Virginia according to your profile. You might want to move to your northwest neighboring state that broke off from your state during the Civil War when they sided with the union. They're more gun friendly there and they are a good role model for gun control nationwide.
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I'm not from Virginia. I've lived in various places, but I deliberately chose this area of Virginia for my home. I'm happy here.
 
ElChupacabra said:
As a native NYer who grew up there in the late 70s and 80s, the city is remarkably safe compared to those times. Gentrification has definitely played a role, as well as an improved economy over the past few decades which helped fuel it. Of course there are still pockets of the city that are not as safe as others, but generally it's a very different city in terms of safety.
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There is no indication that stricter gun control played any role in making the city safer since the 70s and 80s.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is not likely to happen since the trend is to "clear" most (90%?) of cases using plea deals which lower the criminal charges made and/or lessen the sentences imposed after admitting guilt.
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Which is dumb.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Some people like to claim how NYC is such a safe city and its safe because of gun control. Well, the annual rate in NYC is 3.4 for every 100K people. In Summersville in West Virginia the murder rate is 0.0 for every 100K people. West Virginia is one of the most gun friendly states in the USA.

Boston on the other hand, which has even stricter gun control than NYC, has a murder rate of 8.3 per 100K people, so that says something about more gun control not making it more safe.
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If Carl Rowan were still alive he would not like you posting facts like that.
 
humbolt said:
I'm not from Virginia. I've lived in various places, but I deliberately chose this area of Virginia for my home. I'm happy here.
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Anotherwords, you're in Virginia and that's where you want to say. Your neighbors to the northwest are a bit more gun friendly.
 
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