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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Frigidweirdo View Post
    A lot of the people who will be saying "so what?" will be "pro-life" people.

    1) Is it enough that people are charged with things, and then it'll happen again and again and again.

    2) Meanwhile an immigrant kills someone and the right are up in arms and "this can never be allowed to happen again".
    1) Folks violate traffic safety laws on a regular basis causing far more death and injury than those who violate gun laws. Should violating traffic safety laws not result in a lifetime ban on driving (a mere privilege)?

    2) How many sanctuary cities or states exist for those who violate our (federal) gun laws?
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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    1) Folks violate traffic safety laws on a regular basis causing far more death and injury than those who violate gun laws. Should violating traffic safety laws not result in a lifetime ban on driving (a mere privilege)?

    2) How many sanctuary cities or states exist for those who violate our (federal) gun laws?
    1) Yes they do.

    However just because something should be done about traffic laws, doesn't mean something shouldn't be done about gun laws.

    The UK has a road death rate that is LOWER than the US's gun murder rate.

    List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia
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    List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

    In fact the UK's deaths on the road is 3.1 per 100,000 people, it's murder rate is 1.2, so a rate of 4.3
    The US's gun murder rate alone is 4.46
    It's road deaths rate is 12.4

    This is about attitude. The UK has dealt with murder to a certain extent and deal with road deaths to a certain extent.

    On the other hand someone says "oh, too many people die from guns" the response is "don't do anything, more people die on the roads." When people say "oh, too many people die on the roads" people say "don't do anything, more people die from cancer".

    Attitude. The US has a massive can't do attitude.

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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Frigidweirdo View Post
    1) Yes they do.

    However just because something should be done about traffic laws, doesn't mean something shouldn't be done about gun laws.

    The UK has a road death rate that is LOWER than the US's gun murder rate.

    List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia
    List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia
    List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

    In fact the UK's deaths on the road is 3.1 per 100,000 people, it's murder rate is 1.2, so a rate of 4.3
    The US's gun murder rate alone is 4.46
    It's road deaths rate is 12.4

    This is about attitude. The UK has dealt with murder to a certain extent and deal with road deaths to a certain extent.

    On the other hand someone says "oh, too many people die from guns" the response is "don't do anything, more people die on the roads." When people say "oh, too many people die on the roads" people say "don't do anything, more people die from cancer".

    Attitude. The US has a massive can't do attitude.
    I am really interested in hearing what you think should be done.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    I'm smart on the gun issue and what we need to do about it.

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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am really interested in hearing what you think should be done.
    About what? I spoke about two different things.

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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Frigidweirdo View Post
    1) Yes they do.

    However just because something should be done about traffic laws, doesn't mean something shouldn't be done about gun laws.

    The UK has a road death rate that is LOWER than the US's gun murder rate.

    List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia
    List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia
    List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

    In fact the UK's deaths on the road is 3.1 per 100,000 people, it's murder rate is 1.2, so a rate of 4.3
    The US's gun murder rate alone is 4.46
    It's road deaths rate is 12.4

    This is about attitude. The UK has dealt with murder to a certain extent and deal with road deaths to a certain extent.

    On the other hand someone says "oh, too many people die from guns" the response is "don't do anything, more people die on the roads." When people say "oh, too many people die on the roads" people say "don't do anything, more people die from cancer".

    Attitude. The US has a massive can't do attitude.
    The fact that I can (and do) legally own a gun had no bearing on the tragic death of the toddler in the OP. The idea that taking away my right to own a gun (or converting it to a state issued privilege) would have saved that toddler is just nuts.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Frigidweirdo View Post
    About what? I spoke about two different things.
    When one complains about something not being done, I naturally see what the person thinks should be done
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    I'm smart on the gun issue and what we need to do about it.

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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am really interested in hearing what you think should be done.
    Increase the power of the nanny state, no doubt.
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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Increase the power of the nanny state, no doubt.
    Hard to say given some of his other comments. I won't presume anything at this point.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Hard to say given some of his other comments. I won't presume anything at this point.
    Having used the UK as an example (of proper gun laws?) leads me to believe otherwise.
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    re: [W:616]Tennessee toddler found gun, shot himself

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The fact that I can (and do) legally own a gun had no bearing on the tragic death of the toddler in the OP. The idea that taking away my right to own a gun (or converting it to a state issued privilege) would have saved that toddler is just nuts.
    Seems like you keep flipping argument every time I say something.

    So, you're saying if you were born in the UK and the idea of a right to own a gun is considered ridiculous there, that this child would have died anyway? The child would literally have found a way to kill itself, would have literally gone and found a farmer with a shotgun and stuck it in its mouth and pulled the trigger?

    Though you're not totally wrong. The can't do attitude is massively prevalent in the US. I remember a TV show from a while back, Jamie Oliver went to Huntington, West Virginia which was apparently the fattest place in the US.

    Basically the guy was told "you can't implement healthier eating until you've prove it works" and "you can't prove it works until you've implemented it" kind of attitude.

    Jamie’s Food Revolution: Huntington Schools 2 Years Later Gilt Taste | Kitchn


    Apparently what he did do finally go through to some people.

    There's a reason US politics is massively messed up. There's a reason why far more people die in the US every year. And the people who are generally behind making sure this happens are often "pro-life". I mean, it doesn't make sense at all.

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