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Kid shoots mom gun owner charged

vegas giants said:
Millions and millions of people have registered guns and not had them confiscated. Lol
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Millions more registered their firearms and had them confiscated by government. Including Germany, Australia, England, and Canada. Only a complete idiot registers a firearm.
 
Chillfolks said:
It only works if people comply with the law. If a voluntary program reduces crime significantly then there may be support for a mandatory one. Or we can have nothing if You prefer to to compromise
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Nobody is going to comply with an unconstitutional law.
 
Glitch said:
Millions more registered their firearms and had them confiscated by government. Including Germany, Australia, England, and Canada. Only a complete idiot registers a firearm.
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Many many Americans register firearms. Only an idiot would get caught with a unregistered firearm. If it is the law
 
Glitch said:
Chillfolks deliberately misrepresented the story. McFarland is the owner of the jeep. The owner of the firearm is unknown. McFarland was charged merely because he owned the jeep where the firearm was found. Which is why he will not be convicted.
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That makes more sense. Still someone lost a loaded gun and evidently did not report it to the authorities.
 
Waddy said:
I was in junior high in the mid fifties, and I can remember a few of us boys leaving our .22 rifles in the principal's office and picking them up after school so we could head out to the creek after squirrels. We all had been taught gun safety. And that's important; a parent won't always be around. I guess I was about 12 years old. Different world back then. We all had pocket knives, too.

When my boys were growing up they got that training, but I still locked things up. There were kids I didn't even know running through my house, friends of the kids. I had no idea how mature they were or if they were familiar with firearms. Most of them didn't strike me as being very mature. So I just took to the practice of locking everything up that might get them into trouble. When they got older I locked up my liquor... :)
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In Nebraska we brought our shotguns to school so we could hunt pheasant and quail after school. There were literally dozens of firearms in our school during pheasant season, and nobody was ever shot. By the time I reached high school age, my siblings and I all owned our own firearms, which we kept in our bedroom closets.

It was a different time 50 years ago. Today there are a lot of people who have completely irrational fears around firearms, depending on where you live. I don't have that problem in Alaska, obviously. However, if you live in or near a large city you can expect to run into irrational cowards who are completely clueless around firearms and will call the police every time they see a firearm.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
That makes more sense. Still someone lost a loaded gun and evidently did not report it to the authorities.
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Possibly. It may not have been lost at all. I'm not saying the firearm wasn't McFarland's. I'm saying that they don't know who the owner of the firearm was, and the only reason McFarland was charged was because the firearm was found in the jeep which he did own. It may be McFarland's firearm. Nobody knows.

I also don't see why a missing firearm should be reported to the authorities. It isn't like they are ever going to find and return the missing firearm. Out of the thousands of firearms that are stolen and reported to the police every year, how many are recovered and returned to their rightful owner?
 
vegas giants said:
Many many Americans register firearms. Only an idiot would get caught with a unregistered firearm. If it is the law
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Many idiots may indeed register their firearms, but it is only a tiny fraction of those who own firearms. You don't register to speak your mind. You don't register to practice your religious beliefs. You don't register to associate with certain people. So why should you register a firearm?

A constitutionally protected individually right does not require registration, licensing, or any other government restrictions and the Supreme Court held the Second Amendment to be a constitutionally protected individually right. So you can stick your unconstitutional registration scam where the sun never shines.
 
Glitch said:
Many idiots may indeed register their firearms, but it is only a tiny fraction of those who own firearms. You don't register to speak your mind. You don't register to practice your religious beliefs. You don't register to associate with certain people. So why should you register a firearm?

A constitutionally protected individually right does not require registration, licensing, or any other government restrictions and the Supreme Court held the Second Amendment to be a constitutionally protected individually right. So you can stick your unconstitutional registration scam where the sun never shines.
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Like voting? You register to vote.

Oooooooops. Lol
 
Glitch said:
You apparently are unable to comprehend the difference between an inherent right and a government bestowed privilege. Why am I not surprised?
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Hahaha. You said constitutional right. That was hilarious.

Voting is a constitutional right that is registered.

You'll get em next time buddy. Lol
 
Glitch said:
Possibly. It may not have been lost at all. I'm not saying the firearm wasn't McFarland's. I'm saying that they don't know who the owner of the firearm was, and the only reason McFarland was charged was because the firearm was found in the jeep which he did own. It may be McFarland's firearm. Nobody knows.

I also don't see why a missing firearm should be reported to the authorities. It isn't like they are ever going to find and return the missing firearm. Out of the thousands of firearms that are stolen and reported to the police every year, how many are recovered and returned to their rightful owner?
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If the fire arm was within reach of a child in a public place the gun owner is irresponsible & negligent. So if it was his gun not lost but just in his jeep he is responsible and should be punished. I disagree about reporting a gun lost in a public area where a child could pick it up and shoot someone. If some how all of a sudden I realized I no longer have a loaded gun and it may be somewhere that it can be found by a child I am responsible if something bad happens. Plus If I do not make every effort to find the gun and remove the danger I am negligent. Part of having rights is using them responsibly. Just like yelling fire and creating a panic is irresponsible use of your freedom of speech. I believe every law abiding citizen should be able to conceal carry with out government consent. However you also must accept responsibility for your actions.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
If the fire arm was within reach of a child in a public place the gun owner is irresponsible & negligent. So if it was his gun not lost but just in his jeep he is responsible and should be punished. I disagree about reporting a gun lost in a public area where a child could pick it up and shoot someone. If some how all of a sudden I realized I no longer have a loaded gun and it may be somewhere that it can be found by a child I am responsible if something bad happens. Plus If I do not make every effort to find the gun and remove the danger I am negligent. Part of having rights is using them responsibly. Just like yelling fire and creating a panic is irresponsible use of your freedom of speech. I believe every law abiding citizen should be able to conceal carry with out government consent.
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If the firearm was McFarland's, then I agree that he should be charged and tried for criminal negligence.

The failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome of acting in a particular manner.
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If the firearm is not McFarland's, then how could a jury find him guilty of any crime? Someone else could have placed the firearm where the child found it. Or maybe it really was lost by someone else. In which case McFarland would be found not guilty of any crime.

The difficult part is going to be determining the owner of the firearm, unless McFarland admits that it is his. I cannot imagine why anyone would place a firearm in a vehicle that was on public display. Which leads me to believe that the firearm had been in the jeep before it was put on display.

I have firearms that I have not used in years. I know where they all are, of course, but if one were to come up missing it may be months before I even become aware of that fact.

PIPEWRENCH said:
However you also must accept responsibility for your actions.
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I completely agree. Which means that if the firearm was not McFarland's then he is in no way responsible for someone else's neglectful actions. You are only responsible for your actions, not the actions of another.
 
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vegas giants said:
Like voting? You register to vote.

Oooooooops. Lol
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You are only allowed one vote at an assigned polling location on Election Day so registration is needed to help prevent people from voting multiple times at multiple locations. There is no such restrictions on owning firearms. Better luck peddling your stupid ideas next time. This one was a fail
 
vegas giants said:
Hey that process does sound easy....let's nake it nationwide.....ok?
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Why.. its just proven that it does not work...


You said it would stop me from selling a firearm to my buddy illegally. And I showed that in no way does it.

So.. the only reason to do it.. is to harass law abiding gun owners... because it does nothing to stop strawman sales.
 
vegas giants said:
Better to have a program that works over one that doesnt
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Registration has been proven not to work.

Canada requires registration of handguns.

The gun most used by criminals in Canada.. handguns. Despite there being regulations on them.. while no registration of long guns.
 
vegas giants said:
Many many Americans register firearms. Only an idiot would get caught with a unregistered firearm. If it is the law
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If that were true..then criminals would not carry firearms that are illegal for them. But they do.
 
zsu2357 said:
No. Every time I renew my license I am automatically registered to vote. Same with a lot of illegals flooding in getting I.D. cards and licenses. Just saying.
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Yep

It's a right that actually requires registration
 
vegas giants said:
Yep

It's a right that actually requires registration
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You're only allowed one vote. There is no such limitations with guns. Thus the reason one registers to vote and none is needed for guns.
 
Chillfolks said:
You're only allowed one vote. There is no such limitations with guns. Thus the reason one registers to vote and none is needed for guns.
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Lots of good reasons to register guns
 
Chillfolks said:
I've seen reasons why people would like to see one. None of them are good.
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Any law that is proffered as being a solution to crime, but cannot even be used to prosecute real criminals, is fraudulent.
 
Glitch said:
He may be charged, but he will not be convicted.

You also misrepresented the story. The antique World War II jeep belonged to McFarland, where the firearm was found. There was no mention of him losing a firearm, or even if it was his firearm. He was charged with reckless endangerment merely because he was the owner of the jeep. No jury is going to find him guilty.
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How did the kid get the gun in his jeep?
 
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