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Kid shoots mom gun owner charged

MrWonka said:
So we can't teach a kid how to safely operate a motor vehicle until their 16.
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Actually in my state..they start at 14. And I actually started my children learning how to safely operate motor vehicles when they were 8. When they were large enough to sit in the seat and operate the controls. Which by the way.. made them much safer drivers...

Let them decide if they want to smoke cigarettes until their 18.
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Not sure their is a safe way to smoke cigarettes. perhaps you can explain?

ut somehow 8 years old is a perfectly reasonable time to start teaching your children about proper gun use. I'm pretty sure when I was 8 I hadn't mastered multiplication tables yet. In little league they were still having us hit the ball off of a tee.
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Actually you should start teaching your child firearms safety way earlier than that. 3-4 is probably about right.. (depending on the kid).

You first start by teaching the child that a firearm is dangerous.. and that you never handle one without DAD present. And if you find one.. you should leave it along and go tell an adult.
Usually you should also let the child hold the firearm safely.. perhaps shoot if they are large enough and capable to handle the firearm with assistance from mom or dad. Show them how dangerous it can be. Show them how dad has to treat them with respect. Take the curiosity out of it for the child.. and impress on them the importance of being respectful of what a firearm can do if handled improperly.

If this kid had had that training...it would be doubtful that he would have even handled the firearm.. much less shot someone.

You anti gunners just don't get it. You don't even realize that in many states.. several of the ones around here.. the age to start hunting is 9. 9. Now how do you expect a 9 year old to be able to handle a firearm safely.. .if you can't start teaching them safety until they are 16?

And guess what... thousands of 9 year olds go out hunting with firearms.. every hunting season.. and you don't hear a thing about it. Why? Because those children are being taught gun safety at an early age.
 
joko104 said:
You also could buy gasoline to burn down a hospital or school - and all the materials and chemicals to make bombs for terrorist attacks without a BC or even giving your name.

None of that has anything to do with the topic of this thread.
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I was asked a question. Deny straw gun sales are easy in the US
 
There are many reasons I only have firearms legally defined as "antique" firearms - double action pre-1899 38s and a few 32s. Custom black powder cartridges. This includes for legal liabilities reasons. Under the laws of this state and federal law, they are no more of a weapon than a hammer and do not fall under any gun laws.

If a person thinks an Army-civilian double action Colt 38 long is a pop-gun, think again. However, most I have are smaller 5 shot pocket revolvers. They have a nice feel to them. I always have 2 together - so 10 (or 11) rounds without the slow reloading. That's enough.

(The difference is the Army Colt 38 has an 8 inch barrel and the "Army Civilian that almost all police carried for decades has a 6 inch barrel.)
 
Waddy said:
I respect your views, but generally you can't teach gun safety to an 8 year old. Kids mature at different rates. there may be a few who can be taught, and will follow those instructions, but you really have no sure way of knowing. I waited until my kids were at least twelve to take them to the range. And I keep my guns in the safe.

I also learned it wasn't just guns I needed to lock up. I came home one day and found some nails in a board that had been placed in the trash. Also a couple of nails in the rafters that didn't belong there. After a "come to Jesus" meeting with my oldest son, I found that he and some pals had hooked up my framing nailer and fired some nails into various boards. He knew how to operate it just by watching me. Both of us got a lesson that day. I locked up everything in the shop I thought could be dangerous, and he couldn't mess with much of anything for a few days. My takeaway; boys are stupid....very, very, very stupid. Then I remembered me and some pals used to play dodge in front of fast moving locomotives.
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Actually most children who hunt are taught much earlier than that. In many states..the hunting age is 10 or less. In the states around me..the age to hunt is 9 years old.

Which means that kids ARE capable of learning gun safety at 8.. or earlier.

also learned it wasn't just guns I needed to lock up. I came home one day and found some nails in a board that had been placed in the trash. Also a couple of nails in the rafters that didn't belong there. After a "come to Jesus" meeting with my oldest son, I found that he and some pals had hooked up my framing nailer and fired some nails into various boards.
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Just a question.. but did you ever show your child how dangerous the nail gun was? did you ever actually show him the safe way to use it and not to use it unless dad was there?

Or did he just get to see you use it..and got curious with his friends.. (probably after seeing a show like equalizer where the character shoots a nail gun at the bad guy).

Stupidity generally comes from ignorance.
 
vegas giants said:
But super easy to do under current law
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Yep..despite background checks.

In fact.. that's HOW criminals get around background checks.

So vegas.. whats your point?

Its seems you are arguing that background checks are pretty much useless.. (which I think most gun owners would agree).
 
vegas giants said:
I was asked a question. Deny straw gun sales are easy in the US
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What the hell are you talking about? Private sales are not "straw" gun sales. Pass any anti-gun laws and it still will be easy for anyone to buy a gun.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yep..despite background checks.

In fact.. that's HOW criminals get around background checks.

So vegas.. whats your point?

Its seems you are arguing that background checks are pretty much useless.. (which I think most gun owners would agree).
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Uh....maybe make it a bit harder like it is in some places.
 
Tlrmln said:
What about current law makes straw purchases easy?
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What does that have to do with the topic of this thread?

Checking people out is worthless anyway. When the Pulse nightclub shooter - a Clinton Democrat - who had confessed to the FBI already he wanted to shoot a lot of people and Obama's FBI said no problem doing nothing - the gun shop he then first tried to buy from called Obama's BATF saying they have someone wanting to buy AR15s and huge amounts of ammo while saying things disturbing. The BATF told the shop to sell him the guns and ammo anyway. This was under Obama's done bother Muslims rules.

Name the shootings where a background check would have prevented it. Give it a try. Explain how a background check would have stopped this gun accident.
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually most children who hunt are taught much earlier than that. In many states..the hunting age is 10 or less. In the states around me..the age to hunt is 9 years old.

Which means that kids ARE capable of learning gun safety at 8.. or earlier.



Just a question.. but did you ever show your child how dangerous the nail gun was? did you ever actually show him the safe way to use it and not to use it unless dad was there?

Or did he just get to see you use it..and got curious with his friends.. (probably after seeing a show like equalizer where the character shoots a nail gun at the bad guy).

Stupidity generally comes from ignorance.
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That was a weird movie. The hero refuses to use guns because he was just too cool for that. But in the end he shoots the guy with a nail gun - which is a gun.

Why no background check and felons banned from buying nail guns? They are a .22 semi-auto pistol and some have a very high capacity clip.

And then there was the guy who accidentally shot himself in the head with a nail gun. Lived. Walked into the hospital on his own. Strange looking X-ray with a nail in his brain. Might have been an improvement.
 
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Firearms must be secured around children like everything else dangerous - like household chemicals.

I think gun owners should have their children fire a gun once at a young age so they understand the power of it and to end the mystery.
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually most children who hunt are taught much earlier than that. In many states..the hunting age is 10 or less. In the states around me..the age to hunt is 9 years old.

Which means that kids ARE capable of learning gun safety at 8.. or earlier.



Just a question.. but did you ever show your child how dangerous the nail gun was? did you ever actually show him the safe way to use it and not to use it unless dad was there?

Or did he just get to see you use it..and got curious with his friends.. (probably after seeing a show like equalizer where the character shoots a nail gun at the bad guy).

Stupidity generally comes from ignorance.
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I wouldn't try safety training on a 6 or 8 year old and hope it takes. Better to lock up the dangerous stuff. I also lock up any dangerous chemicals as well. I'm the one who should know better. I wouldn't put the responsibility off on a little kid.

You can put your trust in an 6 or 8 year old if you want, you're entitled to your opinion. I just wouldn't stake a life on it. That's my opinion.
 
How many parents leave keys to their vehicles around the home with an unlicensed young teenager while the parents go somewhere? I never ready anyone ranting that parents who don't secure their car keys should be prosecuted when the kid takes the car and is in an accident.
 
joko104 said:
You also could buy gasoline to burn down a hospital or school - and all the materials and chemicals to make bombs for terrorist attacks without a BC or even giving your name.

None of that has anything to do with the topic of this thread.
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What a great analogy, very appropriate given the many thousands of hospital and school burnings and terrorist bombings in the US each year.
 
Waddy said:
I wouldn't try safety training on a 6 or 8 year old and hope it takes. Better to lock up the dangerous stuff. I also lock up any dangerous chemicals as well. I'm the one who should know better. I wouldn't put the responsibility off on a little kid.

You can put your trust in an 6 or 8 year old if you want, you're entitled to your opinion. I just wouldn't stake a life on it. That's my opinion.
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Would you try safety training for a 6-8 about not talking to strangers or getting into vans with candy? Or if they are lost seek out a police officer?

I agree as an adult it is your responsibility, and part of that responsibility is teaching kids the basics of gun safety.

Had this child been taught to not touch the gun and seek out an adult the outcome may of been completely different.
 
joko104 said:
How many parents leave keys to their vehicles around the home with an unlicensed young teenager while the parents go somewhere? I never ready anyone ranting that parents who don't secure their car keys should be prosecuted when the kid takes the car and is in an accident.
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Get serious. You might as well have offered that teens who lose control of the stove when trying to cook should cause penalties for their parents for their not shutting off the gas valve when they leave the house.
 
Glitch said:
He may be charged, but he will not be convicted.
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Of course he won't. The only way there could be a conviction of endangerment is if McFarland gave the boy permission to handle the weapon.

If no permission granted, then McFarland cannot be held liable or accountable for the shooting.


"The lesson liberals need to learn is that despite their arrogance, they do not have the power to alter reality." - Walter Williams
 
joko104 said:
What the hell are you talking about? Private sales are not "straw" gun sales. Pass any anti-gun laws and it still will be easy for anyone to buy a gun.
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A gang banger can easily buy a untraceable gun with no BC in many places. But not as easy in some places. Guess why?
 
I wouldn't try safety training on a 6 or 8 year old and hope it takes. Better to lock up the dangerous stuff. I also lock up any dangerous chemicals as well. I'm the one who should know better. I wouldn't put the responsibility off on a little kid.

You can put your trust in an 6 or 8 year old if you want, you're entitled to your opinion. I just wouldn't stake a life on it. That's my opinion.
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Problem is.. you can't lock up every single thing that might be dangerous. Do you seriously lock up all your chemicals under the sink...lock up the kitchen knives? Wait until your boys try staging a knife fight.. or decide to try and throw knives like the EXPENDABLES..

Or just use one to cut something and end up slicing their thigh.. because no one ever taught them knife safety.

Look..you are entitled to your opinion. You can certainly think you can protect your children from dangerous things by keeping those things locked up. or keeping the children away from them. I can show you ER's full of children where that didn't work.
On the other hand.. I can show you millions of children..who learned to handle firearms at an early age..and are now out hunting at 9 years old. And perfectly safe.

You can never trust a child until you TEACH them. Without them learning... it doesn't matter the age.
 
vegas giants said:
Nah, NYC, Canada, hawaii....etc
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You can by a Firearm in NYC in a strawman purchase just as easy anywhere in the country.

In Canada.. the weapons most used in crimes.. is still handguns. Which shows that their draconian laws on handgun purchases doesn't work.

And you can buy any other firearm in Canada just as easily.. with a strawman purchase.. even a handgun.
 
jaeger19 said:
You can by a Firearm in NYC in a strawman purchase just as easy anywhere in the country.

In Canada.. the weapons most used in crimes.. is still handguns. Which shows that their draconian laws on handgun purchases doesn't work.

And you can buy any other firearm in Canada just as easily.. with a strawman purchase.. even a handgun.
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False. Much much more difficult in NYC. Which is partly why their crime rate is low.

Uh....the weapon most used everywhere for crime is a handgun. That was hilarious
 
vegas giants said:
False. Much much more difficult in NYC. Which is partly why their crime rate is low.

Uh....the weapon most used everywhere for crime is a handgun. That was hilarious
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Not at all. Not if you are willing to break the law.

I had a concealed weapons license in new York. What would stop me from purchasing a handgun.. legally.. and then selling it to my buddy.. (illegally in a straw purchase)



And yep... the weapons used most is the handgun... even when there are draconian laws on handguns..... so how is that possible.. if gun control laws work?

And by the way.. no.. gun control is not why their crime rate is low.
 
jaeger19 said:
Not at all. Not if you are willing to break the law.

I had a concealed weapons license in new York. What would stop me from purchasing a handgun.. legally.. and then selling it to my buddy.. (illegally in a straw purchase)



And yep... the weapons used most is the handgun... even when there are draconian laws on handguns..... so how is that possible.. if gun control laws work?

And by the way.. no.. gun control is not why their crime rate is low.
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If you are willing to break the law????? That is hilarious.

Tell us all how easy it was to get that permit in NYC. ( not state)
 
vegas giants said:
If you are willing to break the law????? That is hilarious.
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Well vegas.. that's what ALL strawman purchases are..


You realize that right? A strawman purchase is where a person who can pass a background check.. purchases a firearm and then illegally sells it to a known restricted person.

So.. again.. please tell me.. I had a concealed weapons permit in NEW York city.... so what would stop me from buying a firearm legally.. and then selling it to my buddy (illegally in a straw purchase)

Oh it was just a background check and an interview for the carry concealed endorsement for NYC. There wasn't even a requirement for training.


The NYS permit was easier... no interview.
 
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