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Gun Control in the UK

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Here is a video that talks about the kind of gun control they've got in the UK and why it does more harm than good. As for me, as far as Im concerned what they do in the UK is their business. I do not live there and it is not my country so I don't care if they want to make their country more dangerous by implementing stricter gun control just as I don't care if the Spanish want to run with bulls which results in people getting killed. But this video points out how more gun control is dangerous and also why we will never have the kind of gun control in the USA that there is in the UK.
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Here is a video that talks about the kind of gun control they've got in the UK and why it does more harm than good. As for me, as far as Im concerned what they do in the UK is their business. I do not live there and it is not my country so I don't care if they want to make their country more dangerous by implementing stricter gun control just as I don't care if the Spanish want to run with bulls which results in people getting killed. But this video points out how more gun control is dangerous and also why we will never have the kind of gun control in the USA that there is in the UK.
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A very common type of crime in the UK over the last 10 years is a group of Bad Guys in broad daylight walk up and knock on the front door of a home. Knowing the family is defenseless, when the door is answered they shove their way in. They rape the wives and daughters in front of the Husbands/Fathers and Sons/Brothers. They rob them and often murder the entire Family.

Per Capita of population this type of home invasion seldom happens in the US, because the our Bad Guys know that if they pick the wrong Family they could get shot.
 
A very common type of crime in the UK over the last 10 years is a group of Bad Guys in broad daylight walk up and knock on the front door of a home. Knowing the family is defenseless, when the door is answered they shove their way in. They rape the wives and daughters in front of the Husbands/Fathers and Sons/Brothers. They rob them and often murder the entire Family.

Per Capita of population this type of home invasion seldom happens in the US, because the our Bad Guys know that if they pick the wrong Family they could get shot.

It also doesn't help that if the victim fights back. That they could be severely punished as well. Because you do see reports of the owner being arrested for doing so every once in a while.
 
A very common type of crime in the UK over the last 10 years is a group of Bad Guys in broad daylight walk up and knock on the front door of a home. Knowing the family is defenseless, when the door is answered they shove their way in. They rape the wives and daughters in front of the Husbands/Fathers and Sons/Brothers. They rob them and often murder the entire Family.

Per Capita of population this type of home invasion seldom happens in the US, because the our Bad Guys know that if they pick the wrong Family they could get shot.

The movie Law Abiding Citizen took place in the US.
 
The movie Law Abiding Citizen took place in the US.

Ya, A great movie, but a work of fiction. Of course an accurate part is the story took place in Chicago, an area where it's almost impossible for "Law Abiding Citizens" to own guns. And where these type of home invasions are a lot more common than most of the US.
 
It also doesn't help that if the victim fights back. That they could be severely punished as well. Because you do see reports of the owner being arrested for doing so every once in a while.

Better Judged by 12 than carried by 6.

I would happily spend the rest of my life in prison if what got me there prevented my Wife and Daughters from getting raped and murdered. Wouldn't you?

Usually the prosecutors who charge for things like this are the same Totalitarians Leftist who want to confiscate all guns.
 
Here is a video that talks about the kind of gun control they've got in the UK and why it does more harm than good. As for me, as far as Im concerned what they do in the UK is their business. I do not live there and it is not my country so I don't care if they want to make their country more dangerous by implementing stricter gun control just as I don't care if the Spanish want to run with bulls which results in people getting killed. But this video points out how more gun control is dangerous and also why we will never have the kind of gun control in the USA that there is in the UK.
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How many people die due to gun violence in the UK per year? Asking for a friend.
 
Here is a video that talks about the kind of gun control they've got in the UK and why it does more harm than good. As for me, as far as Im concerned what they do in the UK is their business. I do not live there and it is not my country so I don't care if they want to make their country more dangerous by implementing stricter gun control just as I don't care if the Spanish want to run with bulls which results in people getting killed. But this video points out how more gun control is dangerous and also why we will never have the kind of gun control in the USA that there is in the UK.
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I consider self-defense and access to personal sidearms for self-defense to be a basic human right, so of course I very much care about gun laws in the UK and everywhere. Brits need to step up and begin taking the appropriate legal steps to establish, first, their basic right to self-defense, and eventually we can get to using lethal force to that end. There's nothing I can do until they stand up for themselves, however. If they want to keep being the victim, then they will.
 
How many people die due to gun violence in the UK per year? Asking for a friend.

most European countries are all less than 1% of our gun homicide rate. my math came to .05% for France and the UK based on numbers from wikipedia
 
most European countries are all less than 1% of our gun homicide rate. my math came to .05% for France and the UK based on numbers from wikipedia
Well of course they are, silly head, because when you remove an item, homicide involving that item can't occur as often.

The part you miss, however, is that the total homicide rate does not go down. Perps just use a different weapon.
 
Well of course they are, silly head, because when you remove an item, homicide involving that item can't occur as often.

The part you miss, however, is that the total homicide rate does not go down. Perps just use a different weapon.

i thought they'd just make them in the bathtub or get them on the black market? isn't that how it's supposed to work?
 
i thought they'd just make them in the bathtub or get them on the black market? isn't that how it's supposed to work?
What are you drinking?
 
I mean, per capita, the UK also has like a 1/4 of the homicides as we do - so it's not like everyone just uses a different weapon.
 
I consider self-defense and access to personal sidearms for self-defense to be a basic human right, so of course I very much care about gun laws in the UK and everywhere. Brits need to step up and begin taking the appropriate legal steps to establish, first, their basic right to self-defense, and eventually we can get to using lethal force to that end. There's nothing I can do until they stand up for themselves, however. If they want to keep being the victim, then they will.

Perhaps the Brits see the USA gun culture, and want to head it off. You got one thing correct, its none of your business. Righties get there panties in a wad because the Brits are very anti Trump, claim its none of their business, well it works both ways. After the Dunblane Massacre the Brits want no part of monthly school shootings, America seems to have that market cornered I support the second Amendment because I support the Constitution, that over rides my detest of guns on a personal level. Now would I support a Constitutional amendment clarifying the wording of the Second Amendment, hell ya, will it happen, when pigs fly.
 
I mean, per capita, the UK also has like a 1/4 of the homicides as we do - so it's not like everyone just uses a different weapon.

Most of our violent crime occurs in cities with 250K people or more. We have more of those cities than the UK does, so naturally, we are going to have a higher overall crime rate.

That's the downfall of per capita data, it doesn't account for population density. 100,000 people spread out across a whole state is going to have a much lower violent crime rate than if those same 100,000 people were crammed into a city block. There are more people in the city of Los Angeles than in the State of South Dakota, and LA has a much higher crime rate than SD despite LA having much heavier gun laws than South Dakota. The more people you cram into a given area, the more you restrict their socio-economic opportunity, because resources are limited, and it's that lowering of socio-economic opportunity that creates most violent crime.
 
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Most of our violent crime occurs in cities with 250K people or more. We have more of those cities than the UK does, so naturally, we are going to have a higher overall crime rate.

I agree, but someone asked a question, and I provided an answer and context.
 
Perhaps the Brits see the USA gun culture, and want to head it off. You got one thing correct, its none of your business. Righties get there panties in a wad because the Brits are very anti Trump, claim its none of their business, well it works both ways. After the Dunblane Massacre the Brits want no part of monthly school shootings, America seems to have that market cornered I support the second Amendment because I support the Constitution, that over rides my detest of guns on a personal level. Now would I support a Constitutional amendment clarifying the wording of the Second Amendment, hell ya, will it happen, when pigs fly.
I don't think I said it was none of my business.
 
It is none of your business.
Maybe not, but you claimed I said that, and I don't think I did. This needs to be cleared up before I can address the points of your post otherwise I don't know what else you might claim I say, that I don't say.
 
A very common type of crime in the UK over the last 10 years is a group of Bad Guys in broad daylight walk up and knock on the front door of a home. Knowing the family is defenseless, when the door is answered they shove their way in. They rape the wives and daughters in front of the Husbands/Fathers and Sons/Brothers. They rob them and often murder the entire Family.

Per Capita of population this type of home invasion seldom happens in the US, because the our Bad Guys know that if they pick the wrong Family they could get shot.

To clarify, this is not a common type of crime in the UK - in fact I have not heard of any instances of this, certainly not in the last 10 years. I’d be keen to see the proof otherwise.

As for the UK gun laws, we responded to the Dunblane shooting but taking appropriate steps to ensure it never happened again - these measures have proven effective. In comparison, what measures has the US taken to stop school shootings, and how effective have those measures been?

Whilst you accept these murders as statistically normal, then nothing will be done.
 
As for the UK gun laws, we responded to the Dunblane shooting but taking appropriate steps to ensure it never happened again -

It did happen again, tho. Your 'steps' meant nothing because you did not address the root problem.

Also, accepting some level of crime as normal does not mean we condone the crime.
 
How many people die due to gun violence in the UK per year? Asking for a friend.

Does it matter? Just because people don't die due to gun violence doesn't mean they don't get their lives cut short by other means.
 
A very common type of crime in the UK over the last 10 years is a group of Bad Guys in broad daylight walk up and knock on the front door of a home. Knowing the family is defenseless, when the door is answered they shove their way in. They rape the wives and daughters in front of the Husbands/Fathers and Sons/Brothers. They rob them and often murder the entire Family.

Per Capita of population this type of home invasion seldom happens in the US, because the our Bad Guys know that if they pick the wrong Family they could get shot.

The most common type of crime in the UK is 'hate crime. The outlawing of anything resembling freedom of speech is far more an attack on liberty than anything to do with guns.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/11/man-investigated-praying-aladdin-muslim-prayer-room/

In should be noted that the 'prayer rooms' provided in UK hospitals and other public place in the UK are notionally there for 'all faiths'. Actually they have been taken over by Muslims who now see them as their property.
Just another example of the creeping Islamisation that the US has yet to experience.
 
How many people die due to gun violence in the UK per year? Asking for a friend.

This is London 2018

Among the 119 homicides in 2018, there have been 68 stabbings, 12 shootings and two deaths involving a knife and a gun.

A third of the cases involved victims aged 16 to 24. Of these, 30 were stabbed, nine were shot, two died in attacks involving a knife and a gun, and one died in a fall.

For the teenagers aged 15 to 19, six were shot and 14 were stabbed.

Police say London’s situation is not unique in England and Wales, and have warned of “Wild West” violence sweeping the country as children as young as nine are found carrying knives....

...The Metropolitan Police Violent Crime Task Force, which was set up in response to violence that broke out in spring, seized 340 knives, 40 guns and 258 other offensive weapons in its first six months of operation. It also made more than 1,350 arrests.


London killings to hit 10-year high after 2018 total exceeds whole of 2017 | The Independent

Not quite Chicago... And how are all these shootings happening when there is strict gun control?
 
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