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    Re: Gun Control in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I already did. You just don't believe me, for no actual reason that you can articulate.
    So you're saying there was no gun control in the UK before 1915? That any five year old could go into a gun shop and buy any gun they wanted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    So you're saying there was no gun control in the UK before 1915? That any five year old could go into a gun shop and buy any gun they wanted?
    No, I said there was no REAL gun control. In 1915 in the UK, you had to get a license to buy a gun, but you could obtain that license on-demand over the counter at the post office, and the law did not apply to private sales. There were also small fines for selling (but not giving) firearms to minors. I.e., not a real gun control.

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    Re: Gun Control in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If public safety was really the issue with those of you who want to restrict gun ownership, why are your solutions never directed at the people who cause the vast majority of gun violence? You do know that what you stated about firearms, is what makes them useful for women or older folk for self defense.
    Japan, England, Canada, Poland --- these countries kick butt on the US. Older folks are doing just fine there.

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    Re: Gun Control in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    Sorry, you'll have to do better than that. Please explain to me why, if I'm killed, I would care about whether someone did it (or I did it to myself) from 100 cm, or 100 meters.
    You're the one that's going to have to do better. You ask ridiculous questions, and expect rational conversation.

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    Re: Gun Control in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    You're the one that's going to have to do better. You ask ridiculous questions, and expect rational conversation.
    What's ridiculous about asking you to justify your selective outrage? There are 5 countries on that list that have a higher intentional death rates than the US, despite having much stricter gun laws, not to mention all the countries that you didn't cherry pick for your list. Two of them have more than double the suicide rate. So tell us all, if someone is dead, why does it matter if it was accomplished with a bullet, or hitting the pavement at terminal velocity?

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    Re: Gun Control in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    What's ridiculous about asking you to justify your selective outrage? There are 5 countries on that list that have a higher intentional death rates than the US, despite having much stricter gun laws, not to mention all the countries that you didn't cherry pick for your list. Two of them have more than double the suicide rate. So tell us all, if someone is dead, why does it matter if it was accomplished with a bullet, or hitting the pavement at terminal velocity?
    Instead of focusing on the death rate statistics, just focus on the 1, because that 1 is someone. Someone who has family, friends, colleagues, all of whom will be affected by their death.

    And yes, it doesnít matter how the individual was killed, however it happened is still a tragedy. It is how you deal with the information to reduce the chances of it happening again. If a death is caused by tripping over a pavement, you fix the pavement. I also note that kinder surprise eggs have been banned in the US because of the choking hazard - again in response to a problem.

    I donít know what the answer to gun related deaths is, and no measure will ever be 100% effective. But if you accept the status quo you accept that nothing will change. And there is no denying that mass shootings and gun crimes in schools still regularly occur in the US. In The UK, in comparison, these types of crime are just unheard of since Dunblane. To suggest adopting UK gun control measures in the US as being the answer, might prove difficult, there is clearly a cultural divide when it comes to gun ownership. There are a lot of guns in the US which would be near impossible to track and seize all, so maybe the first step is to control the sale of ammunition. Or maybe arming teachers will be effective. But to first deal with a problem, is to recognise there is a problem in the first place. And then do something, and if that doesnít work, do something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorr View Post
    Instead of focusing on the death rate statistics, just focus on the 1, because that 1 is someone. Someone who has family, friends, colleagues, all of whom will be affected by their death.

    And yes, it doesn’t matter how the individual was killed, however it happened is still a tragedy. It is how you deal with the information to reduce the chances of it happening again. If a death is caused by tripping over a pavement, you fix the pavement. I also note that kinder surprise eggs have been banned in the US because of the choking hazard - again in response to a problem.

    I don’t know what the answer to gun related deaths is, and no measure will ever be 100% effective. But if you accept the status quo you accept that nothing will change. And there is no denying that mass shootings and gun crimes in schools still regularly occur in the US. In The UK, in comparison, these types of crime are just unheard of since Dunblane. To suggest adopting UK gun control measures in the US as being the answer, might prove difficult, there is clearly a cultural divide when it comes to gun ownership. There are a lot of guns in the US which would be near impossible to track and seize all, so maybe the first step is to control the sale of ammunition. Or maybe arming teachers will be effective. But to first deal with a problem, is to recognise there is a problem in the first place. And then do something, and if that doesn’t work, do something else.
    Just keep "doing" things until something works? Is that it? If reducing the speed limit to 30mph and making it a felony to violate it would save a thousand lives per year, should we do that? Because I bet it would actually save a lot more than 1000.

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    Re: Gun Control in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    Just keep "doing" things until something works? Is that it? If reducing the speed limit to 30mph and making it a felony to violate it would save a thousand lives per year, should we do that? Because I bet it would actually save a lot more than 1000.
    Anybody who uses cars as a comparison to guns is hopelessly lost and void of argument.

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    Re: Gun Control in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    What's ridiculous about asking you to justify your selective outrage? There are 5 countries on that list that have a higher intentional death rates than the US, despite having much stricter gun laws, not to mention all the countries that you didn't cherry pick for your list. Two of them have more than double the suicide rate. So tell us all, if someone is dead, why does it matter if it was accomplished with a bullet, or hitting the pavement at terminal velocity?
    Wow, 5 countries Out of 20. The gun toters are always OK with the US being the 15th worst out of 20.

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    Also, maybe you can name the FIVE.

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    Re: Gun Control in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorr View Post
    And there is no denying that mass shootings and gun crimes in schools still regularly occur in the US.
    That is changing due to steps being taken to prevent such atrocities. Such steps involve active shooter drills in schools as well as allowing qualified faculty and staff to be armed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorr View Post
    In The UK, in comparison, these types of crime are just unheard of since Dunblane. To suggest adopting UK gun control measures in the US as being the answer, might prove difficult, there is clearly a cultural divide when it comes to gun ownership.
    To suggest the USA follow the UKs example and have the same kind of gun control they have would be treasonous. We are not the UK, we have not been the UK and we have not been under their control or influence ever since 1776. They can do what they want in their country but as to how things are done in the USA, that is not their call and it hasn't been their call since 1776. To be an American and to say the USA should have gun control like the UK is to be a Benedict Arnold.

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