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Should we lift the ban on the Thompson Machine gun?

beerftw said:
They got them mostly from hardware stores, which would sell lumber, tools, nails, firearms etc. The military actually did not widely adopt the tommy gun like portrayed in video games because it was very expensive to manufacture, and its milling made it still expensive to mass produce.

It was used militarily but in small numbers compared to every other military firearm of normal issue, and was replaced by the m-3 greasegun in ww2 simply because of costs. Infact the tommy gun was not issued to the us military until 1938, and was starting to be phased out in favor of the m-3 by 1943.
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half right

most of the few automatic weapons used by gangsters were stolen from government arsenals
 
TurtleDude said:
half right

most of the few automatic weapons used by gangsters were stolen from government arsenals
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That could be however it would have had to have been from polive or other govt agencies, as the military did not issue that gun until 1938, while in the 1920's they were readily available from hardware and general stores if someone had the money.
 
beerftw said:
That could be however it would have had to have been from polive or other govt agencies, as the military did not issue that gun until 1938, while in the 1920's they were readily available from hardware and general stores if someone had the money.
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BAR rifles were in armories and several of them were used by gangsters. Some NG armories had Tommy Guns as well. The FBI had tommy guns dating to the mid 30s-our FBI office had a few (which if they were smart-they would sell since they were registered and transferable and would bring enough money to buy dozens of new firearms for the entire office
 
A full auto Tommy Gun should be as easy to buy as any rifle today.

That being said, I'd proffer a suppressed MP5 submachine pistol.
 
Wayne Jr said:
A full auto Tommy Gun should be as easy to buy as any rifle today.

That being said, I'd proffer a suppressed MP5 submachine pistol.
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I'd have definitely preferred being able to buy a P90 instead of having to get a PS90 and then do a bunch of extra **** to it, too.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
thanks for backing me up OlNate. Do you support sane, common-sense regulations or are you on of those feauxgressives that just wants to capitulate to the radical gun huggers?
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Ugh...bud...you gotta stop calling other people fauxgressives. As we've discussed previously.

Of course I support sane, common-sense regulations. I think most responsible gun owners / enthusiasts would say the same. It's just that our definitions of what constitute "sane" and "common-sense" are likely very different. Given how wrong you are on the subject you're complaining about, I'm not sure you how get to claim common-sense anything. :shrug:
 
Wayne Jr said:
A full auto Tommy Gun should be as easy to buy as any rifle today.

That being said, I'd proffer a suppressed MP5 submachine pistol.
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The tommy gun was actually a high quality gun, it's failure militarily was not performance but rather price, and maybe a hint of it's rate of fire being too high.
 
beerftw said:
The tommy gun was actually a high quality gun, it's failure militarily was not performance but rather price, and maybe a hint of it's rate of fire being too high.
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It wasn't exactly a ranged weapon either....but I imagine it was acceptable for room clearing.
 
Why would you want something so heavy, not very accurate and with a slightly larger chamber (so it won't jam) that makes it unlikely you can reload the empty cases? There are better and cheaper alternatives.

I got into reloading because my sons were such ammo hogs. And then my daughter got into Sporting Clays. That was about 300 shotshell rounds per week for about four years... so I'm sensitive about ammunition costs.

I'd be driving a Corvette right now if those kids didn't get into the shooting sports :)
 
beerftw said:
The tommy gun was actually a high quality gun, it's failure militarily was not performance but rather price, and maybe a hint of it's rate of fire being too high.
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Too heavy, too expensive, and took to long to make even when cost/time cutting modifications were made-such as getting rid of the front pistol grip and the Cutts compensator
 
Waddy said:
Why would you want something so heavy, not very accurate and with a slightly larger chamber (so it won't jam) that makes it unlikely you can reload the empty cases? There are better and cheaper alternatives.

I got into reloading because my sons were such ammo hogs. And then my daughter got into Sporting Clays. That was about 300 shotshell rounds per week for about four years... so I'm sensitive about ammunition costs.

I'd be driving a Corvette right now if those kids didn't get into the shooting sports :)
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LOL my wife and I shoot Olympic trap (two shots are often used per bird) and Steel leagues. SO I load 300 shot shells a week in the season and 400-800 9mm. Fortunately I have a hydraulic MEC loader and a pair of Dillon 1050s. Plus a commercial reloading firm sells me primed brass (the primer system sucks on the old 1050s) and with them I can load 1200 9mm an hour
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Do would you pro-gun people lift the ban on this prohibition-gangster gun? Why shouldn't we have the "freedumb" to buy these things? It violated the constitutional right of Al Capone and his minions to carry around arms to fight the police with.

Come on, who's with me?

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Last I heard, you can buy a Thompson if you can get the federal permit with all that entails.
 
TurtleDude said:
LOL my wife and I shoot Olympic trap (two shots are often used per bird) and Steel leagues. SO I load 300 shot shells a week in the season and 400-800 9mm. Fortunately I have a hydraulic MEC loader and a pair of Dillon 1050s. Plus a commercial reloading firm sells me primed brass (the primer system sucks on the old 1050s) and with them I can load 1200 9mm an hour
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You gotta like reloading if you're serious about any shooting sport. You have some nice equipment.

I do Cowboy Action black powder; 45LC and 45-70, both straight wall cases, on a Lyman Turret press. Brass shotshells on an old arbor press, plastic on the MEC single stage. I also shoot Practical Handgun; .45ACP and 9mm, on a Dillon Square Deal.

Not as fancy as your equipment, but gets the job done. I also cast lead. Bought a barrel full years ago for 5cents a lb.

This is why we both cherish the Second Amendment. It has been a way of life for my family. I don't want it to disappear for my grand kids.
 
I shot ATA registered targets for several years. I did my reloading on a MEC 9000. Between registered, practice, local derbies, and league shooting, I probably shot 500 targets a week. I don't know if I saved a great deal of money, but I liked my loads for 16 yd targets to shoot real soft.
 
RF667799 said:
I shot ATA registered targets for several years. I did my reloading on a MEC 9000. Between registered, practice, local derbies, and league shooting, I probably shot 500 targets a week. I don't know if I saved a great deal of money, but I liked my loads for 16 yd targets to shoot real soft.
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That's the real beauty of reloading; you can tailor your loads to exactly what you need. My oldest son has a 40SW revolver (moon clips). With factory loads it kicks like a mule !!
But loaded down it becomes manageable. note; a revolver doesn't absorb any of the recoil like a slide does. And the 40Sw is a high velocity round, like a 9mm, just kicks harder. That gun was a real wrist snapper with full house factory loads.

BTW; my shotshell reloader is a puny little MEC Sizemaster. But it does the job well enough for me. I like 1oz loads for clay targets; number 8 or 9.

back to gun control; if they ever find a law that guarantees the bad guys won't get guns I will back it 100%. I'm not holding my breath waiting for it.
 
RF667799 said:
I shot ATA registered targets for several years. I did my reloading on a MEC 9000. Between registered, practice, local derbies, and league shooting, I probably shot 500 targets a week. I don't know if I saved a great deal of money, but I liked my loads for 16 yd targets to shoot real soft.
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well I only load 3/4 ounce lead loads at about 1275 FPS using Clay Dot (16.6 grains). With that right a load, recoil is almost non existent and I get lots of shots out of a 25 pound bag of lead. My cost for new 24G ammo (slightly below 7/8 ounce) is at best 5.50 a box. Reloading saves a couple bucks a box.

In 9mm I can load 1000 rounds for the following

Primers-24 dollars
lead 65-79 a 1000 (practice basic lead, coated poly lead for competition-Black Bullets International)
powder-about ten dollars

So lets say 110 or so 1000. New factory-best I can do is 165 a thousand and prices on 9mm are the lowest they have been in a while due to the TRUMP SLUMP

in other words I save 45 dollars a thousand and back when 9mm was 18 bucks a 1000, it was even better. 45 ACP is where I really save-since factory 45 is well over 200 thousand and I can load 1000 for 125 and lead #68 H&G bullets are more accurate and easier on my barrels than factory FMJ
 
We should ban all guns with the exception of pump-action shotguns and bolt-action rifles.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Do would you pro-gun people lift the ban on this prohibition-gangster gun? Why shouldn't we have the "freedumb" to buy these things? It violated the constitutional right of Al Capone and his minions to carry around arms to fight the police with.

Come on, who's with me?

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If you mean remove the oppressive taxes, the Hughes amendment(so new ones can be purchased by citizens and thus lowering the prices)and other hoops that one has to jump through to be able to own then yes we should lift the ban and that goes for other automatic weapons as well.
 
ryzorsden said:
We should ban all guns with the exception of pump-action shotguns and bolt-action rifles.
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That's silly and devoid of a factual reason.
 
Casper said:
Never been to my neck of the woods, firearm ownership has no correlation to political leanings.
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I understand that but the fact remains-almost every anti gun rights law in the USAhas been enacted by liberal democrats and the most vociferous anti gun politicians are liberal democrats.

Not all liberals are anti gun
almost all anti gun advocates are liberals/progressives/socialists/communists.
 
zsu2357 said:
Personally I'd settle for 8-850 RPMs.
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I'd settle for 1 round per pull. But I'd like full auto just to have it to have it.
 
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