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Should we lift the ban on the Thompson Machine gun?

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Do would you pro-gun people lift the ban on this prohibition-gangster gun? Why shouldn't we have the "freedumb" to buy these things? It violated the constitutional right of Al Capone and his minions to carry around arms to fight the police with.

Come on, who's with me?

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To the best of my knowledge the Thompson is not banned. Pay your fees to get the tax stamp, pass the background checks, and you're free to purchase one if you so desire.

Any more myths you need clarification on?
 
Do would you pro-gun people lift the ban on this prohibition-gangster gun? Why shouldn't we have the "freedumb" to buy these things? It violated the constitutional right of Al Capone and his minions to carry around arms to fight the police with.

Come on, who's with me?


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The 1934 NFA and the 1986 Hughes Amendment both violate the second and tenth amendments. That being said, people can legally own Tommy guns if they are willing to pay the extremely inflated costs for a transferable one.


I bet you cannot answer this but do you know where most of the gangsters got the few machine guns they used in the late 20s and early 30s?
 
The 1934 NFA and the 1986 Hughes Amendment both violate the second and tenth amendments. That being said, people can legally own Tommy guns if they are willing to pay the extremely inflated costs for a transferable one.


I bet you cannot answer this but do you know where most of the gangsters got the few machine guns they used in the late 20s and early 30s?
Military surplus?
 
Do would you pro-gun people lift the ban on this prohibition-gangster gun? Why shouldn't we have the "freedumb" to buy these things? It violated the constitutional right of Al Capone and his minions to carry around arms to fight the police with.

Come on, who's with me?

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You can buy one now, semiautomatic without a fuss, or pay the graft (oops, taxes and licences) and get a full auto. Too bad you did not know that, pity that......
 
The 1934 NFA and the 1986 Hughes Amendment both violate the second and tenth amendments. That being said, people can legally own Tommy guns if they are willing to pay the extremely inflated costs for a transferable one.


I bet you cannot answer this but do you know where most of the gangsters got the few machine guns they used in the late 20s and early 30s?

Don't ya love when people think they are being cute, ya just gotta laugh....
 
Do would you pro-gun people lift the ban on this prohibition-gangster gun? Why shouldn't we have the "freedumb" to buy these things? It violated the constitutional right of Al Capone and his minions to carry around arms to fight the police with.

Come on, who's with me?

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Yes, You can legally own a machinegun

Transferable Machine Guns - Buying a Transferable Machinegun - BRP CORP

The Process
Ever since the National Firearms Act of 1934, individuals buying machineguns have required the same procedure for each machinegun.
1) Federal transfer form with fingerprints and photographs for the background check.
2) One-time transfer tax of $200.

When your form is approved, a Federal stamp in the amount of $200 is attached to your form certifying approval. This form is your ‘permission slip’ to own that specific machinegun.

Eligibility:

1. You must be a US citizen over 21
2. You must not have been convicted of a crime
3. You must live in a state and jurisdiction that does not prohibit machineguns.



Getting a Gun Transferred to You

Per the rules setup under the National Firearms Act, machineguns cannot be transferred interstate between individuals. If you find a transferable machinegun in your state, you can have it transferred directly to you on an ATF Form 4. If you buy a machinegun outside of your state, you must utilize a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) who also has a Special Occupational Tax (SOT) registration to first get the machinegun into your state. These dealers are typically referred to as “class 3 dealers.” They normally charge between $100 and $200 to facilitate the transfer process.

Transfers to dealers usually happen very quickly since there is no background check required (approximately 1-2 weeks). There are 3 types of ATF forms that are typically used for machinegun transfers:

Form 3 (tax exempt): FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT
Form 4 (transfer tax required):
to Individual/Corp (within the same state only)
Or
FFL/SOT to Individual (within the same state only) or FFL
Or
Individual to FFL/SOT
Or
Individual to Curio & Relic FFL (for C&R machineguns only)
Form 5 (tax exempt): Individual (deceased) to Heir (within the same state only)

If you buy the machinegun from an ‘individual’ in another state, he would transfer that gun to your dealer in your state on a Form 4. If you buy the machinegun from an FFL/SOT in another state, he would transfer that machinegun to your dealer in your state on a Form 3.

Once the machinegun is in your state, you must complete the Form 4 to get the machinegun transferred from the FFL/SOT to you.

Completing the Form
The Form 4 is a relatively simple two-page form. If you print it from the ATF web site (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms) , you must make sure that both pages are on the same sheet of paper. The form must be completed in duplicate. The first section is the information about the “transferee” (you) and the “transferor” (your dealer). The second section is the information about the gun.

There are three sections on the back page:
1) The standard “yes” and “no” questions you have to answer each time you purchase a gun.
2) Section 15 (“Transferee’s Certification”): This is where you state the reason you want the machinegun. Just be honest. Most people buy machineguns for investment, collecting, target shooting, etc.
3) Section 17 (“Law Enforcement Certification”): You should ask your dealer specifically whom you should go to get this section signed. Most local officials don’t want to sign anything they are unfamiliar with, so it’s important to be directed to the correct government agent or office to deal with this form. If you’re lucky you can get your fingerprints and law enforcement certification done in the same day.

If you are filing your Form 4 as a corporation, partnership, LLC, PA or other legal entity besides ‘individual,’ you do not complete Section 17.

The fingerprint cards and photographs are for your FBI background check. This is a standard background check that is done government job applicants, schools teachers, SEC registrants, etc.

What to Send to ATF:
1) Complete Form 4 in duplicate with original ink signatures, not copies.
2) Certification of US Citizenship Form
3) Two FBI-258 Fingerprint Cards
4) Check for $200
 
Military surplus?

there was no military surplus tommy guns then-and very few sold to civilians. most were stolen from NG or state police armories
 
Yes, You can legally own a machinegun

Transferable Machine Guns - Buying a Transferable Machinegun - BRP CORP

The Process
Ever since the National Firearms Act of 1934, individuals buying machineguns have required the same procedure for each machinegun.
1) Federal transfer form with fingerprints and photographs for the background check.
2) One-time transfer tax of $200.

When your form is approved, a Federal stamp in the amount of $200 is attached to your form certifying approval. This form is your ‘permission slip’ to own that specific machinegun.

Eligibility:

1. You must be a US citizen over 21
2. You must not have been convicted of a crime
3. You must live in a state and jurisdiction that does not prohibit machineguns.



Getting a Gun Transferred to You

Per the rules setup under the National Firearms Act, machineguns cannot be transferred interstate between individuals. If you find a transferable machinegun in your state, you can have it transferred directly to you on an ATF Form 4. If you buy a machinegun outside of your state, you must utilize a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) who also has a Special Occupational Tax (SOT) registration to first get the machinegun into your state. These dealers are typically referred to as “class 3 dealers.” They normally charge between $100 and $200 to facilitate the transfer process.

Transfers to dealers usually happen very quickly since there is no background check required (approximately 1-2 weeks). There are 3 types of ATF forms that are typically used for machinegun transfers:

Form 3 (tax exempt): FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT
Form 4 (transfer tax required):
to Individual/Corp (within the same state only)
Or
FFL/SOT to Individual (within the same state only) or FFL
Or
Individual to FFL/SOT
Or
Individual to Curio & Relic FFL (for C&R machineguns only)
Form 5 (tax exempt): Individual (deceased) to Heir (within the same state only)

If you buy the machinegun from an ‘individual’ in another state, he would transfer that gun to your dealer in your state on a Form 4. If you buy the machinegun from an FFL/SOT in another state, he would transfer that machinegun to your dealer in your state on a Form 3.

Once the machinegun is in your state, you must complete the Form 4 to get the machinegun transferred from the FFL/SOT to you.

Completing the Form
The Form 4 is a relatively simple two-page form. If you print it from the ATF web site (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms) , you must make sure that both pages are on the same sheet of paper. The form must be completed in duplicate. The first section is the information about the “transferee” (you) and the “transferor” (your dealer). The second section is the information about the gun.

There are three sections on the back page:
1) The standard “yes” and “no” questions you have to answer each time you purchase a gun.
2) Section 15 (“Transferee’s Certification”): This is where you state the reason you want the machinegun. Just be honest. Most people buy machineguns for investment, collecting, target shooting, etc.
3) Section 17 (“Law Enforcement Certification”): You should ask your dealer specifically whom you should go to get this section signed. Most local officials don’t want to sign anything they are unfamiliar with, so it’s important to be directed to the correct government agent or office to deal with this form. If you’re lucky you can get your fingerprints and law enforcement certification done in the same day.

If you are filing your Form 4 as a corporation, partnership, LLC, PA or other legal entity besides ‘individual,’ you do not complete Section 17.

The fingerprint cards and photographs are for your FBI background check. This is a standard background check that is done government job applicants, schools teachers, SEC registrants, etc.

What to Send to ATF:
1) Complete Form 4 in duplicate with original ink signatures, not copies.
2) Certification of US Citizenship Form
3) Two FBI-258 Fingerprint Cards
4) Check for $200


I think the LE certification has changed. It used to be-anti gun LEOs would refuse to sign. I don't think they have that option any more
 
The 1934 NFA and the 1986 Hughes Amendment both violate the second and tenth amendments. That being said, people can legally own Tommy guns if they are willing to pay the extremely inflated costs for a transferable one.


I bet you cannot answer this but do you know where most of the gangsters got the few machine guns they used in the late 20s and early 30s?

That machine gun clip is from Home Alone movie!!


Inside the Making of ​Home Alone​’s Fake Gangster Movie
Inside the Making of Home Alone’s Fake Gangster Movie | Vanity Fair
 
Yes, You can legally own a machinegun

Transferable Machine Guns - Buying a Transferable Machinegun - BRP CORP

The Process
Ever since the National Firearms Act of 1934, individuals buying machineguns have required the same procedure for each machinegun.
1) Federal transfer form with fingerprints and photographs for the background check.
2) One-time transfer tax of $200.

When your form is approved, a Federal stamp in the amount of $200 is attached to your form certifying approval. This form is your ‘permission slip’ to own that specific machinegun.

Eligibility:

1. You must be a US citizen over 21
2. You must not have been convicted of a crime
3. You must live in a state and jurisdiction that does not prohibit machineguns.



Getting a Gun Transferred to You

Per the rules setup under the National Firearms Act, machineguns cannot be transferred interstate between individuals. If you find a transferable machinegun in your state, you can have it transferred directly to you on an ATF Form 4. If you buy a machinegun outside of your state, you must utilize a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) who also has a Special Occupational Tax (SOT) registration to first get the machinegun into your state. These dealers are typically referred to as “class 3 dealers.” They normally charge between $100 and $200 to facilitate the transfer process.

Transfers to dealers usually happen very quickly since there is no background check required (approximately 1-2 weeks). There are 3 types of ATF forms that are typically used for machinegun transfers:

Form 3 (tax exempt): FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT
Form 4 (transfer tax required):
to Individual/Corp (within the same state only)
Or
FFL/SOT to Individual (within the same state only) or FFL
Or
Individual to FFL/SOT
Or
Individual to Curio & Relic FFL (for C&R machineguns only)
Form 5 (tax exempt): Individual (deceased) to Heir (within the same state only)

If you buy the machinegun from an ‘individual’ in another state, he would transfer that gun to your dealer in your state on a Form 4. If you buy the machinegun from an FFL/SOT in another state, he would transfer that machinegun to your dealer in your state on a Form 3.

Once the machinegun is in your state, you must complete the Form 4 to get the machinegun transferred from the FFL/SOT to you.

Completing the Form
The Form 4 is a relatively simple two-page form. If you print it from the ATF web site (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms) , you must make sure that both pages are on the same sheet of paper. The form must be completed in duplicate. The first section is the information about the “transferee” (you) and the “transferor” (your dealer). The second section is the information about the gun.

There are three sections on the back page:
1) The standard “yes” and “no” questions you have to answer each time you purchase a gun.
2) Section 15 (“Transferee’s Certification”): This is where you state the reason you want the machinegun. Just be honest. Most people buy machineguns for investment, collecting, target shooting, etc.
3) Section 17 (“Law Enforcement Certification”): You should ask your dealer specifically whom you should go to get this section signed. Most local officials don’t want to sign anything they are unfamiliar with, so it’s important to be directed to the correct government agent or office to deal with this form. If you’re lucky you can get your fingerprints and law enforcement certification done in the same day.

If you are filing your Form 4 as a corporation, partnership, LLC, PA or other legal entity besides ‘individual,’ you do not complete Section 17.

The fingerprint cards and photographs are for your FBI background check. This is a standard background check that is done government job applicants, schools teachers, SEC registrants, etc.

What to Send to ATF:
1) Complete Form 4 in duplicate with original ink signatures, not copies.
2) Certification of US Citizenship Form
3) Two FBI-258 Fingerprint Cards
4) Check for $200

Pfft. Background checks. That violates our freedumb. Why can't I just waltz into a convenience store and buy a weapon that shoots 300 bullets a minute.
 
Pfft. Background checks. That violates our freedumb. Why can't I just waltz into a convenience store and buy a weapon that shoots 300 bullets a minute.

Why would a convenience store sell guns?
 
Why would a convenience store sell guns?

It's appearing obvious he doesn't know much of anything about firearms, why would you expect him to know where to purchase one?
 
It's appearing obvious he doesn't know much of anything about firearms, why would you expect him to know where to purchase one?

Good point-I think in some remote areas of say Alaska or Wyoming, the convenience stores or General stores will have some ammunition for sale for the hunters in the area. I remember as a kid backpacking through the Wind River Range in Wyoming, a place we stopped into to buy some sodas and snacks, had a shelf that had some 30-06, 270, and 30-30 which makes sense since elk and deer hunting was popular up there
 
Good point-I think in some remote areas of say Alaska or Wyoming, the convenience stores or General stores will have some ammunition for sale for the hunters in the area. I remember as a kid backpacking through the Wind River Range in Wyoming, a place we stopped into to buy some sodas and snacks, had a shelf that had some 30-06, 270, and 30-30 which makes sense since elk and deer hunting was popular up there

The General Store in the town my grandparents lived in sold guns, but they also sold a little of everything. I'm not sure if AA is calling those types of outlets convince stores. To me, and apparently you, I think of a convenience store as a glorified gas station, a place to get a quick snack, soda, pack of smokes or other stop n go items.
 
The General Store in the town my grandparents lived in sold guns, but they also sold a little of everything. I'm not sure if AA is calling those types of outlets convince stores. To me, and apparently you, I think of a convenience store as a glorified gas station, a place to get a quick snack, soda, pack of smokes or other stop n go items.

I agree=general store is not the same thing
 
Good point-I think in some remote areas of say Alaska or Wyoming, the convenience stores or General stores will have some ammunition for sale for the hunters in the area. I remember as a kid backpacking through the Wind River Range in Wyoming, a place we stopped into to buy some sodas and snacks, had a shelf that had some 30-06, 270, and 30-30 which makes sense since elk and deer hunting was popular up there

You can buy all those at the gas station a 2 blocks from my house. You can also pick up a 6 pack of beer and some Hot Stuff Pizza if you're in the mood too. :2razz:
 
Do would you pro-gun people lift the ban on this prohibition-gangster gun? Why shouldn't we have the "freedumb" to buy these things? It violated the constitutional right of Al Capone and his minions to carry around arms to fight the police with.

Come on, who's with me?

tumblr_mxevr8QJTg1satzpho3_400.gif

Please. I will help. I would love a genuine Thompson without having to go though all the horsecrap.
 
Do would you pro-gun people lift the ban on this prohibition-gangster gun? Why shouldn't we have the "freedumb" to buy these things? It violated the constitutional right of Al Capone and his minions to carry around arms to fight the police with.

Come on, who's with me?

tumblr_mxevr8QJTg1satzpho3_400.gif

I wonder what caused more deaths in the US before the purchase of newly-manufactured machine guns by civilians was banned:

-the fact that you could buy a machine gun, or
-the fact that you could buy a car that was capable of going faster than 55 mph.
 
Pfft. Background checks. That violates our freedumb. Why can't I just waltz into a convenience store and buy a weapon that shoots 300 bullets a minute.

Because that would be against the law.
 
Pfft. Background checks. That violates our freedumb. Why can't I just waltz into a convenience store and buy a weapon that shoots 300 bullets a minute.

You could in the past. You could also order through the mail.

Add to that Sears, Penny's, and many other retailers had their own store brands.
 
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