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A true hero does not need a gun

calamity said:
Gun rubbers have their heads up their ass, to say the least.
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What exactly is a gun rubber? sounds like a bogus made up term used by those who want to bait pro rights advocates.
 
notquiteright said:
Pathetic- the number killed by drunk drivers is small- given the numbers... :roll:

Point is the 'gun' rubbers try and rewrite history to claim false facts. Dodge City was peaceful because firearms were surrendered at the city limits, more 'lawful' firearm owners practically give their weapons away by leaving them out for burglars to take at ease, children to use 'playing' with them and mentally ill relatives gaining easy access.

Given the terms you use for those who advocate for stricter firearm laws that irony meter is NOW having a meltdown.... :peace
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You have any proof of your claims? and when someone calls gun advocates "gun rubbers", it is hard to believe that such people are really concerned with violent crime-rather than harassing gun advocates.
 
calamity said:
Gun Rubbers is apt
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I guess if your goal is to insult and bait gun rights advocates while only pretending to care about violent crime, then that is so.
 
notquiteright said:
Gun rubbers try and pretend that criminal misuse is the price of freedom and 'lawful use' doesn't feed criminal firearm violence. How many 'lawful' firearm owners leave their firearms where burglars can steal them? How many lock their cars but leave a firearm on the head board, night stand, hall closet???

Back when I served our weapons were locked in the equiv of a bank vault, locked in racks, on posts with far greater security than most civilian communities, but civilians leave their weapons around where anyone can steal them without so much as a moments pause.

How many honest 'gun' owners become criminals in domestic violence, children getting the weapon, or mentally ill relatives gaining control of a weapon????

Smear???? hardly.... :peace
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You should blame the thief/criminal doing the stealing, not holding the victim of a crime responsible.
 
Chillfolks said:
You should blame the thief/criminal doing the stealing, not holding the victim of a crime responsible.
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When the real issue is political warfare-the left blames those most likely to vote against the left's preferred candidates, not the person who actually engages in crime.
 
notquiteright said:
Dodge City CONFISCATED firearms at the city limits... so your argument lends itself to strict firearm control- the very sort you wail about today... :doh
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Guns had to be checked in when you entered city limits in Dodge City but the fact remains that Dodge City had more shootouts than most other towns and cities of the old west so there goes your theory on strict gun control reducing shootouts.
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess if your goal is to insult and bait gun rights advocates while only pretending to care about violent crime, then that is so.
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Says the guy crying “Banneroids” & “gun grabbers” at every opportunity:roll:
 
notquiteright said:
Gun rubbers try and pretend that criminal misuse is the price of freedom and 'lawful use' doesn't feed criminal firearm violence. How many 'lawful' firearm owners leave their firearms where burglars can steal them? How many lock their cars but leave a firearm on the head board, night stand, hall closet???
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I don't. I never leave guns in plain sight even when they're locked in the car. I keep them cased and out of sight.

notquiteright said:
Back when I served our weapons were locked in the equiv of a bank vault, locked in racks, on posts with far greater security than most civilian communities, but civilians leave their weapons around where anyone can steal them without so much as a moments pause.
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I keep my guns in a gun safe, a very secure one.

notquiteright said:
How many honest 'gun' owners become criminals in domestic violence, children getting the weapon, or mentally ill relatives gaining control of a weapon????
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Very rarely do honest gun owners ever become criminals. When you've got guns you keep them locked up, that way children, the mentally ill, and other unauthorized people won't have access to them. Simple common sense.
 
calamity said:
Gun rubbers have their heads up their ass, to say the least.
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So you resort to making insults because you can't make a rational argument, typical of gun phobics.
 
calamity said:
12,000 gun homicides--in a good year--plus another 20,000 suicides by Precocious, comes damned near 100 gun related deaths per day.

I call bull**** on the bold.
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More than 100 people a day got to shooting ranges across the country and legally use their firearms without incident. Call bull**** all you want it’s still a true statement
 
TurtleDude said:
You have any proof of your claims? and when someone calls gun advocates "gun rubbers", it is hard to believe that such people are really concerned with violent crime-rather than harassing gun advocates.
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When someone use idiotic terms for those wanting at least as much oversight of firearm sales as the USDA has banneroids it is difficult to take them seriously. Proof of children killing children with the parent's firearms? Burglars stealing private home firearms and selling them on the street? Drunk drivers being as small a number as criminal firearm usage???? Dodge City using firearm confiscation at the city limit???

You just seem to just to be whining about the very tactics you use and making silly 'demands'.... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
When someone use idiotic terms for those wanting at least as much oversight of firearm sales as the USDA has banneroids it is difficult to take them seriously. Proof of children killing children with the parent's firearms? Burglars stealing private home firearms and selling them on the street? Drunk drivers being as small a number as criminal firearm usage???? Dodge City using firearm confiscation at the city limit???

You just seem to just to be whining about the very tactics you use and making silly 'demands'.... :peace
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rather than whining about such incidents and trying to smear 100 million gun owners for the very small number of legal owners who cause troubles-why don't you tell us what your solutions to this (in your mind, a big) problem are?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I don't. I never leave guns in plain sight even when they're locked in the car. I keep them cased and out of sight. I keep my guns in a gun safe, a very secure one. Very rarely do honest gun owners ever become criminals. When you've got guns you keep them locked up, that way children, the mentally ill, and other unauthorized people won't have access to them. Simple common sense.
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To be clear I spoke of leaving an unlocked car but not with a weapon in it, just unlocked as a rule. Who would do that? But to be clear if someone broke in, either random or knowing your a 'gun' nut a case is little deterrent.

So one 'gun' owner vs how many who leave weapons in night stands, hall closets, etc... :roll:

Sad fact is so few 'honest' firearm owners have the simple common sense you claim to have...

Will you at least admit the Dodge City example is bogus as firearms were banned in city limits???

Very rarely do Muslims turn terrorist

Very rarely do drivers drive drunk

Very rarely do Boeing jets turn rogue in the sky

But your very rarely is weak tea and as far as I can recall I never said take everyone's firearm away- please find where I did... :peace
 
DebateChallenge said:
Guns had to be checked in when you entered city limits in Dodge City but the fact remains that Dodge City had more shootouts than most other towns and cities of the old west so there goes your theory on strict gun control reducing shootouts.
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Ummm a few facts in that claim would be nice... :peace
 
TurtleDude said:
rather than whining about such incidents and trying to smear 100 million gun owners for the very small number of legal owners who cause troubles-why don't you tell us what your solutions to this (in your mind, a big) problem are?
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Oh no whining here, just pointing out how some 'gun' rubbers are complete hypocrites when they complain about smears and terms they don't like... :roll:

We have done this crap fest plenty enough times, but one that needs to be enacted is criminal neglect penalties for leaving an unsecured firearm in the home for either burglars or children....

Drunk drivers are a tiny percent of all drivers and many 'good' drivers have driven while impaired from time to time but we don't just throw our hands up and claim it is the price of living in a democracy.... :doh

The rest we have done to death.... :peace
 
Chillfolks said:
You should blame the thief/criminal doing the stealing, not holding the victim of a crime responsible.
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Ummm last time I checked we do hold the thief responsible so that is another bogus attack... :roll:

The victim is to be blamed for negligence, leaving a deadly weapon unsecured in a place where the door can be kicked in by a teenager is crazy, yet many 'good' 'responsible' firearm owners do just that. How many times are we going to excuse the 'gun' owner when a child gets their handgun and kills another child??? (oh they have suffered enough)

Time to get real... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Ummm last time I checked we do hold the thief responsible so that is another bogus attack... :roll:

The victim is to be blamed for negligence, leaving a deadly weapon unsecured in a place where the door can be kicked in by a teenager is crazy, yet many 'good' 'responsible' firearm owners do just that. How many times are we going to excuse the 'gun' owner when a child gets their handgun and kills another child??? (oh they have suffered enough)

Time to get real... :peace
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Assuming facts not in evidence. If someone has to kick down a door and commit a felony to obtain a firearm, I find it hard to blame the victim. That is different than someone leaving a firearm in an unlocked car in plain view
 
notquiteright said:
Ummm last time I checked we do hold the thief responsible so that is another bogus attack... :roll:

The victim is to be blamed for negligence, leaving a deadly weapon unsecured in a place where the door can be kicked in by a teenager is crazy, yet many 'good' 'responsible' firearm owners do just that. How many times are we going to excuse the 'gun' owner when a child gets their handgun and kills another child??? (oh they have suffered enough)

Time to get real... :peace
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Two different scenarios. But my short answer is I support legislation requiring guns locked up in homes with children under 16 to prevent children from accidents. In homes without children there should not be any locked up law.
 
notquiteright said:
To be clear I spoke of leaving an unlocked car but not with a weapon in it, just unlocked as a rule. Who would do that? But to be clear if someone broke in, either random or knowing your a 'gun' nut a case is little deterrent.
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A smart person will lock their car whether they've got guns in it or not, I've developed the habit of locking my car. I also don't have any NRA stickers or any other such stickers on my car that might indicate Im a "gun nut," having such stickers is a mistake.

notquiteright said:
So one 'gun' owner vs how many who leave weapons in night stands, hall closets, etc... :roll:
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Its sad that there are people who don't responsibly store their guns but you find people leaving all sorts of stuff out that they're not supposed to. More children die from poisoning every year than from guns.

notquiteright said:
Will you at least admit the Dodge City example is bogus as firearms were banned in city limits???
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The fact that firearms were banned in Dodge City helps make my case as Dodge City had more shootouts than cities that didn't ban firearms.
 
Chillfolks said:
Two different scenarios. But my short answer is I support legislation requiring guns locked up in homes with children under 16 to prevent children from accidents. In homes without children there should not be any locked up law.
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There already are states that require firearms to not be left within easy access of an 18 or 21 year old.
 
TurtleDude said:
Assuming facts not in evidence. If someone has to kick down a door and commit a felony to obtain a firearm, I find it hard to blame the victim. That is different than someone leaving a firearm in an unlocked car in plain view
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Reading comprehension skills are not your forte....

One more time, the locked car is to compare what most negligent firearm owners would never do, NEVER did I say a weapon in plain sight... :roll:

Of course you would find it difficult to blame the negligent home owner. But the fact is breaking into most homes is a snap, many just break the window of the rear door and let themselves in. Given the ease of entry 'common sense' says you should have a much better storage place for your deadly weapons than the hallway closet or the nightstand.

However I do note you take a complete miss on the negligent deadly weapon owner who's kid shoots another kid with the Glock he found in the head board.... :peace
 
DebateChallenge said:
A smart person will lock their car whether they've got guns in it or not, I've developed the habit of locking my car. I also don't have any NRA stickers or any other such stickers on my car that might indicate Im a "gun nut," having such stickers is a mistake. Its sad that there are people who don't responsibly store their guns but you find people leaving all sorts of stuff out that they're not supposed to. More children die from poisoning every year than from guns. The fact that firearms were banned in Dodge City helps make my case as Dodge City had more shootouts than cities that didn't ban firearms.
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You make my point, far more firearm owners routinely lock their car but lack the common sense to lock up their firearms. It should be more than just sad when 'gun' owners fail to properly secure their weapons... it ought to be illegal.... :2wave:

Your opinion about Dodge City and the others isn't a fact, so far you have presented ZERO fact and 120% opinion.... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Reading comprehension skills are not your forte....

One more time, the locked car is to compare what most negligent firearm owners would never do, NEVER did I say a weapon in plain sight... :roll:

Of course you would find it difficult to blame the negligent home owner. But the fact is breaking into most homes is a snap, many just break the window of the rear door and let themselves in. Given the ease of entry 'common sense' says you should have a much better storage place for your deadly weapons than the hallway closet or the nightstand.

However I do note you take a complete miss on the negligent deadly weapon owner who's kid shoots another kid with the Glock he found in the head board.... :peace
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I suspect my reading skills are far better than most on this board. My rejection of your arguments is not the same as not understanding them. Making comments concerning how guns are stored without understanding the environment is really silly. when my kid was young and had friends (whose backgrounds I really didn't know) in our home, all weapons were locked up in safes. Now that he has his own home and has a ccw permit, and only comes to our home to watch it when we are gone, I have no issues with a gun in my desk drawer or a rifle in my office.
 
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