The Gun Forum Primer

[jet57]

Only if your claims are correct. Which they are not. .30-06 is a cartridge, not a specific type of rifle.

Either you’ve checked to confirm your position, found you were wrong, and won’t admit it, or
You’re just denying reality.

I don’t even know what you’re claiming I got wrong.

If only you hadn't jumped to a silly conclusion.


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[pinqy]

If only you hadn't jumped to a silly conclusion.


:2wave:

I have no idea what you’re talking about

 

[jet57]

I have no idea what you’re talking about

Sure you do, you just keep dodging. The OP was created to show how alleged "gun experts" like yourselves attempt to derail gun control discussion with litmus tests in order to try and control the dialogue surrounding factual evidence and precedent of gun control in this country. Yet not one of you can answer the simplest questions, the answers to which debunk your entire thesis'. YOU jumped to erroneous conclusion and your friends piled on, only making all of you looked detached from the fact of my original comment. And then you all double down on pedanticism of nothing in order to try and prove your mistake.

This happens every time in these threads which is why I post and why still, none of you can prove me or those who think wrong on the issue of gun control.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sure you do, you just keep dodging. The OP was created to show how alleged "gun experts" like yourselves attempt to derail gun control discussion with litmus tests in order to try and control the dialogue surrounding factual evidence and precedent of gun control in this country. Yet not one of you can answer the simplest questions, the answers to which debunk your entire thesis'. YOU jumped to erroneous conclusion and your friends piled on, only making all of you looked detached from the fact of my original comment. And then you all double down on pedanticism of nothing in order to try and prove your mistake.

This happens every time in these threads which is why I post and why still, none of you can prove me or those who think wrong on the issue of gun control.

When people who constantly utter absolute nonsense about guns, and then claim that their opinions are more pertinent or relevant as to why guns should be banned, than the contrary opinions of those who actually understand guns, we just laugh. We have proven you wrong on many issues such as

Claims that the current edition of the AR 15 was designed for

"heavy combat" (whatever that means)
for war or "warfare"

or that the 30-06 means "hunting rifle" or

that magazines holding more than ten rounds are "for warfare only"

 

[Fledermaus]

Sure you do, you just keep dodging. The OP was created to show how alleged "gun experts" like yourselves attempt to derail gun control discussion with litmus tests in order to try and control the dialogue surrounding factual evidence and precedent of gun control in this country. Yet not one of you can answer the simplest questions, the answers to which debunk your entire thesis'. YOU jumped to erroneous conclusion and your friends piled on, only making all of you looked detached from the fact of my original comment. And then you all double down on pedanticism of nothing in order to try and prove your mistake.

This happens every time in these threads which is why I post and why still, none of you can prove me or those who think wrong on the issue of gun control.

For someone who has failed as often as you did in this thread you are awfully eager to repeat your mistakes.

 

[Bum]

When people who constantly utter absolute nonsense about guns, and then claim that their opinions are more pertinent or relevant as to why guns should be banned, than the contrary opinions of those who actually understand guns, we just laugh. We have proven you wrong on many issues such as

Claims that the current edition of the AR 15 was designed for

"heavy combat" (whatever that means)
for war or "warfare"

or that the 30-06 means "hunting rifle" or

that magazines holding more than ten rounds are "for warfare only"

For those moments when you are trying to dominate the world and cant kill just a few dozen....for those trying to cut down, or just staging the occasional border war or overthrowing the random banana republic dictator, I recommend "Combat lite"....

 

[pinqy]

Sure you do, you just keep dodging.

If I knew, I wouldn’t say I didn’t. What conclusion are you claiming I jumped to and what exactly are you saying I’m dodging? I have no clue.

The OP was created to show how alleged "gun experts" like yourselves attempt to derail gun control discussion with litmus tests in order to try and control the dialogue surrounding factual evidence and precedent of gun control in this country.

I have not claimed expertise and have stated nothing but facts. I have no idea what “litmus test” you think I’ e been trying to use.

It is a fact that many gun-control proponents are shockingly ignorant about firearms, such as not knowing the difference between automatic and semi-automatic, and using phrases such as “military grade” as if that made a weapon more dangerous.

Yet not one of you can answer the simplest questions, the answers to which debunk your entire thesis'.

Ok. Lay them out here and I’ll answer them if possible. And what is my thesis, by the way?

YOU jumped to erroneous conclusion and your friends piled on, only making all of you looked detached from the fact of my original comment.

What conclusion? I really don’t know what you mean.

I do note that you have dodged a few of my questions. Here’s one that shows the problem with the 1994 assault rifle ban:
A Ruger 10/22 with folding stock and flash suppressor was a banned weapon.
A Ruger Mini-30 was not.
The 10/22 fires .22 long rifle, and is not much good past 100 yards or for anything bigger than a rabbit.
The Mini-30 fires 7.62x39mm (same as the AK47) and is good to around 350 meters.
Which would you prefer in a firefight?

Side note: the 10/22 has been used in mass shootings, but I can find no record of the min-30 being used.
Why do you think that is?

 

[Fledermaus]

M1 carbine was a combat weapon.

.30-06 is a cartridge.

The BAR was a squad automatic weapon chambered for .30-06. As was the M1 rifle. The Springfield M1903 rifle, the Enfield Rifle, the Pedersen Rifle, and the 1918 Machine Gun.

I have to make a correction.

Instead of Pedersen I meant Johnson Rifle.

Pedersen was a device used in a Springfield 30-06 to convert it to a really long submachine gun.

Everyone can return to mocking Jet.

 

[TurtleDude]

I have to make a correction.

Instead of Pedersen I meant Johnson Rifle.

Pedersen was a device used in a Springfield 30-06 to convert it to a really long submachine gun.

Everyone can return to mocking Jet.

Yep, the Pedersen device (a "Holy Grail" for collectors due to most being destroyed after the war) shot a 30 caliber pistol cartridge.

 

[beerftw]

Why do you guys keep saying the Enfield was 30-06? The Enfield was British .303. Some consider it the best bolt action rifle of WWII.

The m1917 enfied was made in 30-06, and was made for american soldiers by the british as well as other allied soldiers where ammo shortage of conventional european ammo was present. My grandfather had one, who got it from his father, who got it from surplus. They were fine rifles and functioned just like any enfield but with 30-06 instead of 303 british.

 

[beerftw]

Dude; the term "30-.06" refers to a hunting a hunting rifle and is a term I heard all during my growing up. I was raised around guns.

As to the type of ammo used by both, it;s quite clear that you et al jumped to an erroneous conclusion in your zeal to make me wrong, and now you're trying to cover up your mistake by nit picking. Just admit that you screwed up and we can move on.

30-06 is a military cartridge designed to replace the 30-03 which performed poorly and was only used for a few years before existing 03 springfields were converted to 30-06 and all new ones made for the new caliber. The 30-06 and 30-03 were designed to replace the craig 30-40 as well as the govt 45-70 blackpowder which were still in wide use when the 30-03 and 30-06 were getting implemented.

 

[Bum]

I have to make a correction.

Instead of Pedersen I meant Johnson Rifle.

Pedersen was a device used in a Springfield 30-06 to convert it to a really long submachine gun.

Everyone can return to mocking Jet.

Its not even entertaining or a challenge anymore....I'd rather watch paint dry.

 

[Fledermaus]

The m1917 enfied was made in 30-06, and was made for american soldiers by the british as well as other allied soldiers where ammo shortage of conventional european ammo was present. My grandfather had one, who got it from his father, who got it from surplus. They were fine rifles and functioned just like any enfield but with 30-06 instead of 303 british.

Fun fact. The Japanese Arisaka was purchased in some numbers by the British to serve as training rifles so the SMLEs could be freed up for issue on the front line...

 

[jet57]

30-06 is a military cartridge designed to replace the 30-03 which performed poorly and was only used for a few years before existing 03 springfields were converted to 30-06 and all new ones made for the new caliber. The 30-06 and 30-03 were designed to replace the craig 30-40 as well as the govt 45-70 blackpowder which were still in wide use when the 30-03 and 30-06 were getting implemented.

Dude; the term "30-.06" refers to a hunting a hunting rifle and is a term I heard all during my growing up. I was raised around guns.

 

[Fledermaus]

Dude; the term "30-.06" refers to a hunting a hunting rifle and is a term I heard all during my growing up. I was raised around guns.

The term ".30-06" (the correct spelling) refers to a specific military round. Not what the round is fired from.

Dude.

That just is.

 

[TurtleDude]

Dude; the term "30-.06" refers to a hunting a hunting rifle and is a term I heard all during my growing up. I was raised around guns.

That still doesn't excuse the silliness of your comment. The fact is-you constantly complain about things "made for heavy combat" or "designed for military combat" or intended "for warfare" and the 30-06 far more fits those silly terms of yours than the AR 15 rifle

 

[beerftw]

Dude; the term "30-.06" refers to a hunting a hunting rifle and is a term I heard all during my growing up. I was raised around guns.

30-06 is a military round, and only got replaced to meet nato standards as well as achieving a short action of the .308/7.62x51 vs the long action of the 30-06, in ballistics the 30-06 outperforms modern nato ammo despite being far older, they however did not use ballistics as their only determination, but also weight compatibility etc.

 

[Grandpappy]

When did the military retire the last 30-06? Like before 'Nam? Wasn't the 'Nam sniper rifle a 7MM civilian deer rifle? jet57 is just telling it likes he sees it. 30-06 is a damn good hunting round.

 

[TurtleDude]

When did the military retire the last 30-06? Like before 'Nam? Wasn't the 'Nam sniper rifle a 7MM civilian deer rifle? jet57 is just telling it likes he sees it. 30-06 is a damn good hunting round.

Carlos Hathcock's main weapon was a Winchester 70 in 30-06 with an external adjustment Unertl sight. It was the same rifle he won the 1000 yard national rifle title with. Some US military machine guns still use the 30-06 round but probably are mothballed. The 30-06 became a popular hunting round due to the military adoption-which meant tons of barrels and brass that civilian shooters could get at much cheaper prices. It is why 556 is so much cheaper than say .222 despite being about the same thing.

 

[Fledermaus]

When did the military retire the last 30-06? Like before 'Nam? Wasn't the 'Nam sniper rifle a 7MM civilian deer rifle? jet57 is just telling it likes he sees it. 30-06 is a damn good hunting round.

Jet is lying as usual.