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[pinqy]

Wrong again. 30-.06 is a ubiquitous term for a hunting rifle.

Ok, I need to clarify this: are you stating that “30-.06” is commonly used as s synonym for “hunting rifle,” regardless of actual caliber the rifle is chambered in?

And also, when you say “hunting rifle,” do you mean a particular kind? Hunting rifles can be bolt action, lever action, semi-automatic, single shot, or pump action. But I suspect you have s narrower definition.




Not even a nice try dude. So between a 30-.06 and BAR in a close firefight, which would you choose?

And don't forget: we're not talking about a BAR that has a liquor license displayed; we're talking about the Browning Automatic Rifle.... funny how you lawyers didn't go near that one. You all just took it for what it said - "BAR"...

Refresh my memory: what caliber cartridge does the BAR use?

 

[RF667799]

Lying again: go find my original post wherein I suggested a choice between two rifles. Silly little lawyer tricks won't work here.

Go prove I confused the two.

You asked:

There IS a difference between a 30-06 and a BAR wouldn't you say? Which one was specifically designed for heavy combat?

As was pointed out by several posters, what you proposed initially was a choice between a cartridge and an automatic rifle chambered in that cartridge.

 

[RF667799]

Wrong again. I offered a choice between two rifles. Your inability to interpret the English language is not my problem.

Post immediately above.

 

[RF667799]

A 30-06 FAILS TO DEFINE A RIFLE. IT proves you really have no clue what you are talking about.

I have heard it used to describe an undefined (except by that chambering) weapon. Generally by someone mouthing off in ignorance ie :"If he keep bothering me, Ima get me a 30.06....."

No excuse or reason for it on this board though.

 

[TurtleDude]

I have heard it used to describe an undefined (except by that chambering) weapon. Generally by someone mouthing off in ignorance ie :"If he keep bothering me, Ima get me a 30.06....."

No excuse or reason for it on this board though.

The Real gut buster is this. For years, Jet has been trying to argue that the main reason why AR-15s should be banned (in reality it is because he cannot own one in California) is that it was "designed for warfare" or "for heavy combat" (even though the current rifle known as an AR-15 has NEVER been issued to any military forces).

Now the 30-06 cartridge was specifically developed by the US MILITARY for combat. It was designed for the standard issue military rifle our soldiers used in WWI and WWII. It was used in the Browning machine guns that were standard issue in WWII, the BAR automatic rifle, used in WWII and of course the rifle that replaced the Springfield A303, the MI Garand. Also chambered in 30-06.

Yet, jet calls the 30-06 " hunting rifle" (true, after its popularity in the military, American hunters adopted the cartridge) while claiming a rifle designed and marketed for civilians-a "weapon designed for heavy combat" or "for warfare". Seems Orwellian to me

 

[RF667799]

The Real gut buster is this. For years, Jet has been trying to argue that the main reason why AR-15s should be banned (in reality it is because he cannot own one in California) is that it was "designed for warfare" or "for heavy combat" (even though the current rifle known as an AR-15 has NEVER been issued to any military forces).

Now the 30-06 cartridge was specifically developed by the US MILITARY for combat. It was designed for the standard issue military rifle our soldiers used in WWI and WWII. It was used in the Browning machine guns that were standard issue in WWII, the BAR automatic rifle, used in WWII and of course the rifle that replaced the Springfield A303, the MI Garand. Also chambered in 30-06.

Yet, jet calls the 30-06 " hunting rifle" (true, after its popularity in the military, American hunters adopted the cartridge) while claiming a rifle designed and marketed for civilians-a "weapon designed for heavy combat" or "for warfare". Seems Orwellian to me

Don't forget the 1917 Enfield. Another weapon of war chambered in 30-06. I used to have a sporterized one. With a different stock and its receiver ears milled off, it had been rendered relatively harmless I suppose.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The Real gut buster is this. For years, Jet has been trying to argue that the main reason why AR-15s should be banned (in reality it is because he cannot own one in California) is that it was "designed for warfare" or "for heavy combat" (even though the current rifle known as an AR-15 has NEVER been issued to any military forces).

Now the 30-06 cartridge was specifically developed by the US MILITARY for combat. It was designed for the standard issue military rifle our soldiers used in WWI and WWII. It was used in the Browning machine guns that were standard issue in WWII, the BAR automatic rifle, used in WWII and of course the rifle that replaced the Springfield A303, the MI Garand. Also chambered in 30-06.

Yet, jet calls the 30-06 " hunting rifle" (true, after its popularity in the military, American hunters adopted the cartridge) while claiming a rifle designed and marketed for civilians-a "weapon designed for heavy combat" or "for warfare". Seems Orwellian to me

Zealots don't need no stinking facts - they know a good rant when they spew one.

 

[pinqy]

Fixing previous bad editing

Wrong again. 30-.06 is a ubiquitous term for a hunting rifle. Not even a nice try dude.

Ok, I need to clarify this: are you stating that “30-.06” is commonly used as s synonym for “hunting rifle,” regardless of actual caliber the rifle is chambered in?

And also, when you say “hunting rifle,” do you mean a particular kind? Hunting rifles can be bolt action, lever action, semi-automatic, single shot, or pump action. But I suspect you have s narrower definition.

So between a 30-.06 and BAR in a close firefight, which would you choose?

If by .30-06 you just mean “hunting rifle in non specific caliber,” I’d certainly want more details.
And, refresh my memory....what caliber is the old BAR chambered in?

 

[jet57]

Wrong again. 30-.06 is a ubiquitous term for a hunting rifle.

Ok, I need to clarify this: are you stating that “30-.06” is commonly used as s synonym for “hunting rifle,” regardless of actual caliber the rifle is chambered in?

And also, when you say “hunting rifle,” do you mean a particular kind? Hunting rifles can be bolt action, lever action, semi-automatic, single shot, or pump action. But I suspect you have s narrower definition.



Not even a nice try dude. So between a 30-.06 and BAR in a close firefight, which would you choose?


Refresh my memory: what caliber cartridge does the BAR use?

Dude; the term "30-.06" refers to a hunting a hunting rifle and is a term I heard all during my growing up. I was raised around guns.

As to the type of ammo used by both, it;s quite clear that you et al jumped to an erroneous conclusion in your zeal to make me wrong, and now you're trying to cover up your mistake by nit picking. Just admit that you screwed up and we can move on.

 

[jet57]

You asked:

As was pointed out by several posters, what you proposed initially was a choice between a cartridge and an automatic rifle chambered in that cartridge.

You jumped to an erroneous conclusion and did Pingy. I proposed "a" 30-.06 and a BAR. NOT a cartridge. So you're going to have to try a different angle dude. Perhaps one that just follows what I say.

 

[Fledermaus]

You jumped to an erroneous conclusion and did Pingy. I proposed "a" 30-.06 and a BAR. NOT a cartridge. So you're going to have to try a different angle dude. Perhaps one that just follows what I say.

Can't admit when you are wrong. Can you?

 

[Fledermaus]

The M1 Carbine is a bush gun. The 30-06 is a hunting rifle, the BAR as an automatic worked quite well in both WWI and WWII; lots of close combat there. But a 30-06 wouldn't do so well. That means, when we follow this to it's logical conclusion, that you and your friend would choose the BAR. And THAT'S why the Vega shooter chose the AR15: it's faster, has more velocity and does more damage on impact.

That's a fact.

So how is gun gibberish going to change that fact or dictate policy when it hasn't worked before? Gun regulations are very specific and pass for those reasons.

M1 carbine was a combat weapon.

.30-06 is a cartridge.

The BAR was a squad automatic weapon chambered for .30-06. As was the M1 rifle. The Springfield M1903 rifle, the Enfield Rifle, the Pedersen Rifle, and the 1918 Machine Gun.

 

[Fledermaus]

Lying again eh.

Nope; I never confused anything.

Indeed you did.

 

[Fledermaus]

Dude; the term "30-.06" refers to a hunting a hunting rifle and is a term I heard all during my growing up. I was raised around guns.

As to the type of ammo used by both, it;s quite clear that you et al jumped to an erroneous conclusion in your zeal to make me wrong, and now you're trying to cover up your mistake by nit picking. Just admit that you screwed up and we can move on.

No. It is a military cartridge. Period.

Military.

Cartridge.

 

[TurtleDude]

Can't admit when you are wrong. Can you?

His posts invariably are dishonest or erroneous. His attempt to pretend a CARTRIDGE that was specifically designed for warfare (but later adopted by civilian hunters) is slang for a hunting rifle while claiming a rifle that has never been issued to the military was "designed for heavy combat" or "for warfare", demonstrates the complete fail in his claims.

 

[TurtleDude]

No. It is a military cartridge. Period.

Military.

Cartridge.

I cited the fact that this cartridge was DESIGNED for the military-it was the standard issue cartridge for the standard issue service rifles in WWI and WWII and Korea-and the standard issue cartridge for automatic rifles, LMGs and Medium MGS in all three wars.

 

[pinqy]

Dude; the term "30-.06" refers to a hunting a hunting rifle and is a term I heard all during my growing up. I was raised around guns.

Ok, show an example from a firearms manufacturer or any hunting, shooting, firearms site that uses “.30-06” as a generic term for a hunting rifle that does not use the .30-06 cartridge. If you were correct (which you’re not) you could easily find many sites. But you can’t.


Oh and “hunting rifle” can mean many types of rifle.

Besides the Browning FN you showed a picture of, these are also .30-06 hunting rifles:
Lever action

Semi-automatic:

Single shot:

 

[jet57]

Ok, show an example from a firearms manufacturer or any hunting, shooting, firearms site that uses “.30-06” as a generic term for a hunting rifle that does not use the .30-06 cartridge. If you were correct (which you’re not) you could easily find many sites. But you can’t.


Oh and “hunting rifle” can mean many types of rifle.

Besides the Browning FN you showed a picture of, these are also .30-06 hunting rifles:
Lever action

Semi-automatic:

Single shot:

You lost that argument dude; you screwed up and jumped to a silly conclusion.

 

[pinqy]

You lost that argument dude; you screwed up and jumped to a silly conclusion.

Only if your claims are correct. Which they are not. .30-06 is a cartridge, not a specific type of rifle.

Either you’ve checked to confirm your position, found you were wrong, and won’t admit it, or
You’re just denying reality.

I don’t even know what you’re claiming I got wrong.

 

[TurtleDude]

Only if your claims are correct. Which they are not. .30-06 is a cartridge, not a specific type of rifle.

Either you’ve checked to confirm your position, found you were wrong, and won’t admit it, or
You’re just denying reality.

I don’t even know what you’re claiming I got wrong.

You are right, his arguments concerning the 30-06 is nonsensical and completely destroys his earlier argument. He claims an AR-15-not sold or used by the military-was designed for "heavy combat" but that a cartridge that was designed for the military-for most of our small arms in the first and second world war (the two standard service rifles, the standard automatic squad firearm, and most of the Light and medium machine guns) is slang for a "hunting rifle". You cannot have much more fail in so few comments, as he did.

 

[Fledermaus]

You lost that argument dude; you screwed up and jumped to a silly conclusion.

30-06 also came in falling block, rolling block, Martini action....


You made a stupid statement.

Own it.

 

[Grandpappy]

Why do you guys keep saying the Enfield was 30-06? The Enfield was British .303. Some consider it the best bolt action rifle of WWII.

 

[TurtleDude]

Why do you guys keep saying the Enfield was 30-06? The Enfield was British .303. Some consider it the best bolt action rifle of WWII.

P14-303
P17 30-06. Sgt York preferred this rifle to the Springfield-he liked the open sights better for shooting at moving targets.

this is a good read and is accurate.

M1917 Enfield - Wikipedia

 

[Grandpappy]

P14-303
P17 30-06. Sgt York preferred this rifle to the Springfield-he liked the open sights better for shooting at moving targets.

this is a good read and is accurate.

M1917 Enfield - Wikipedia

I knew about that rifle and the Canadian version, but this Mark 4, WWII British is what's commonly understood as an "Enfield". More accurately a "Lee-Enfield", but I rarely hear that.

It cocked on closing of the bolt and held 10 rounds of .303. It was one of those British designs that worked. Like the Spitfire aircraft.

 

[TurtleDude]

I knew about that rifle and the Canadian version, but this Mark 4, WWII British is what's commonly understood as an "Enfield". More accurately a "Lee-Enfield", but I rarely hear that.

It cocked on closing of the bolt and held 10 rounds of .303. It was one of those British designs that worked. Like the Spitfire aircraft.

At one of the earlier WWI battles-t (before the US was involved), German intelligence determined that the British forces had few or no Maxim guns and decided to attack the British lines-manned by Brits with the 10 round SMLE-who had set aiming stakes in front of their positions. The withering volleys from the fast firing Tommy's armed with these quick to load rifles, wreaked havoc with the Germans-who blamed their intelligence for not reporting what they thought were dozens of Maxim guns.