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Schools that Allow Teachers to Carry Guns are Extremely Safe

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Abstract

After the Columbine school shooting 20 years ago, one of the more significant changes in how we protect students has been the advance of legislation that allows teachers to carry guns at schools. There are two obvious questions: Does letting teachers carry create dangers? Might they deter attackers? Twenty states currently allow teachers and staff to carry guns to varying degrees on school property, so we don’t need to guess how the policy would work. There has yet to be a single case of someone being wounded or killed from a shooting, let alone a mass public shooting, between 6 AM and midnight at a school that lets teachers carry guns. Fears of teachers carrying guns in terms of such problems as students obtaining teachers guns have not occurred at all, and there was only one accidental discharge outside of school hours with no one was really harmed. While there have not been any problems at schools with armed teachers, the number of people killed at other schools has increased significantly – doubling between 2001 and 2008 versus 2009 and 2018.
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Schools that Allow Teachers to Carry Guns are Extremely Safe: Data on the Rate of Shootings and Accidents in Schools that allow Teachers to Carry by John R. Lott :: SSRN
 
Slyfox696 said:
My school has been gun free for nearly 30 years and we've never had a single instance of someone being shot on campus. However, I know for a fact the last time someone in town got killed by a gun, they were shot. True story.

I mean, if we're just randomly throwing out stupid comments...
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He didnt even say a comment... Mr Angry...
 
dirtpoorchris said:
He didnt even say a comment...
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Who didn't? Because I am pretty certain there is commentary in the opening post.

Are you saying this thread, which you've now posted in, does not exist?
 
Ah, yes, John Lott

John Richard Lott Jr. (born May 8, 1958) is an American economist, political commentator, and gun rights advocate.
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Known junk science peddler, and surely not biased at all.
 
put metal detectors at the entrances of schools, and increase taxes enough to pay for security guards. problem sizzolved.
 
Schools in Britain have been extremely safe since the last shooting in 1996 at Dunblane. That was when the handgun ban was introduced.
 
Is there a list of schools that has armed teachers that goes out to potential shooters that tells them keep away from these schools? What a moronic statement that was obviously pulled out of someone's arse.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Who didn't? Because I am pretty certain there is commentary in the opening post.

Are you saying this thread, which you've now posted in, does not exist?
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Original Post contains a link to the paper, and a quotation of the Abstract from the paper. I will agree that an Abstract of a research document can be construed as a "comment" - by the author of the paper.
 
dogboy49 said:
Original Post contains a link to the paper, and a quotation of the Abstract from the paper. I will agree that an Abstract of a research document can be construed as a "comment" - by the author of the paper.
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And you "threw it out" into this thread. Glad we all can agree on such obvious facts...
 
A public school pretty much already has to be one of the safest in the country before it's going to start considering armed teachers the solution to problems it doesn't have.
 
zsu2357 said:
Enter the VPC,Brady,and all the Blommberg satellites and of course no bias there at all.
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What is interesting about Dr Lott, is that when he started researching gun issues, he was anti gun. He actually stated what his research led him to-unlike Hacks like the Vile Propaganda Center, the Brady Thugs, and the goofy Giffords group.
 
Slyfox696 said:
My school has been gun free for nearly 30 years and we've never had a single instance of someone being shot on campus.
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Because you've been lucky.
But lets face it, school shootings are extremely rare.
Still, its good for schools to be prepared just in case.
School fires are extremely rare but when I was in school we did have fire drills, just in case.

Slyfox696 said:
However, I know for a fact the last time someone in town got killed by a gun, they were shot. True story.

I mean, if we're just randomly throwing out stupid comments...
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Nobody has ever been killed by a gun but if somebody is killed by somebody else using a gun usually its by being shot, although it is possible to use a gun to bludgeon somebody to death.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Schools in Britain have been extremely safe since the last shooting in 1996 at Dunblane. That was when the handgun ban was introduced.
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But that's not to say somebody couldn't go into a school in Britain with a bomb, they do that at music concerts after all.
 
bongsaway said:
Is there a list of schools that has armed teachers that goes out to potential shooters that tells them keep away from these schools? What a moronic statement that was obviously pulled out of someone's arse.
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Potential shooters usually avoid places where there's an armed presence, and those who don't, well, they don't last long.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Because you've been lucky.
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:lamo

Statistics show otherwise. When 99+% of schools don't get shot up, it's not "luck".

But lets face it, school shootings are extremely rare.
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So how am I lucky to have not been in one? The point is they don't happen to a statistical relevancy, so the OP is stupid.

Still, its good for schools to be prepared just in case.
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Sure. But arming teachers isn't changing preparation, which is the point.

School fires are extremely rare but when I was in school we did have fire drills, just in case.
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And we do intruder drills as well. I agree preparing for an active shooter is a good idea. I'm pointing out the stupidity of the OP.

Nobody has ever been killed by a gun
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:lol:

Okay.

but if somebody is killed by somebody else using a gun usually its by being shot, although it is possible to use a gun to bludgeon somebody to death.
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I'm not sure you got what I was trying to do there...
 
Helix said:
put metal detectors at the entrances of schools, and increase taxes enough to pay for security guards. problem sizzolved.
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There are many schools in the US that do have that...it's worth seeing how many shootings those schools have.

And then, if it seems effective, seeing how much those parents & the school staff are willing to pay for the metal detectors and (probably more) guards.
 
Lursa said:
There are many schools in the US that do have that...it's worth seeing how many shootings those schools have.

And then, if it seems effective, seeing how much those parents & the school staff are willing to pay for the metal detectors and (probably more) guards.
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They probably aren't.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
A public school pretty much already has to be one of the safest in the country before it's going to start considering armed teachers the solution to problems it doesn't have.
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This is typically a reaction to School shooters. Arm the teachers put police or security guards in the school's metal detectors up. To defend against an extremely rare occurrence. Seems like a waste to me when schools are having more common problems.
 
nekrodev said:
Ah, yes, John Lott



Known junk science peddler, and surely not biased at all.
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You just like to bash John Lott because you know he's right and you can't accept that.
 
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