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Those Who Say Guns Aren't Good For Self Defense Don't Know Guns

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Anybody who claims guns aren't good and effective for self defense don't know anything about the effectiveness of guns in self defense. Guns are the most effective means for self defense as demonstrated in this video.
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DebateChallenge said:
Anybody who claims guns aren't good and effective for self defense don't know anything about the effectiveness of guns in self defense. Guns are the most effective means for self defense as demonstrated in this video.
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I don't open video links but lemme guess- you're in the video. Am I right?
 
Lemme guess, you think "libtards" don't like guns.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Anybody who claims guns aren't good and effective for self defense don't know anything about the effectiveness of guns in self defense. Guns are the most effective means for self defense as demonstrated in this video.
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In some instances, I'm sure they are.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Lemme guess, you think "libtards" don't like guns.
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I think anyone who has studied this issue will note that not all left-wingers are anti gun, and some are very pro gun (well known radical attorney Ron Kuby for example).

However, most of those who actively advocate for gun bans or massive encroachments on Americans' rights concerning guns is a lefty
 
TurtleDude said:
I think anyone who has studied this issue will note that not all left-wingers are anti gun, and some are very pro gun (well known radical attorney Ron Kuby for example).

However, most of those who actively advocate for gun bans or massive encroachments on Americans' rights concerning guns is a lefty
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I think anyone who has studied this issue will note that not all right-wingers are interested in legislating what I do with my wife in the bedroom, or her choices with regard to pregnancies, or the right of my gay friends to get married or adopt kids, etc., and some right-wingers are socially very libertarian and don't want to interfere in matters which are none of their business.

However, most of those who actively advocate for legislating the morality of others, and for massive crackdowns on abortions, and gay rights are righties.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I think anyone who has studied this issue will note that not all right-wingers are interested in legislating what I do with my wife in the bedroom, or her choices with regard to pregnancies, or the right of my gay friends to get married or adopt kids, etc., and some right-wingers are socially very libertarian and don't want to interfere in matters which are none of their business.

However, most of those who actively advocate for legislating the morality of others, and for massive crackdowns on abortions, and gay rights are righties.
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Nice diversion or whataboutism. Totally irrelevant to this thread though.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I think anyone who has studied this issue will note that not all right-wingers are interested in legislating what I do with my wife in the bedroom
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Of course not, why would anybody want to legislate that? What you do with your wife in the bedroom is between you and her and its entirely your business.
 
TurtleDude said:
Nice diversion or whataboutism. Totally irrelevant to this thread though.
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It's not whataboutism, but I freely admit that it IS indeed a diversion, a clever one, because it illustrates the cognitive dissonance that happens every time someone wants to flog and demonize people on the left.

And if I bring up the notion that some sort of compromise would make bipartisan cooperation on guns more of a possibility, I am castigated as being just another gun grabber, therefore a "libtard" who wants to take away your guns.

Ergo, in your world, all libtards hate guns and want to take them from you, no compromise, no quarter.
I'm well known around here for being pretty hardcore about not privatizing or abolishing the VA but even I have demonstrated a willingness to cooperate on Trump's VA Mission Act, which extends private practice choices to disabled vets who are in areas underserved by the VA system either due to sheer distances or lack of sufficient facilities or poor service by the specific facility in their area, such in cases where wait times are too long.

If liberals could get one tenth of that much cooperation from the Turtledudes of America, we could get somewhere on the gun issue.
We could turn down the bickering and poisonous rhetoric, and maybe even sit some of the real actual "libtards" down and explain the realities to them and maybe help each other talk THEM down from the ceiling.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo....
 
DebateChallenge said:
If guns weren't good and effective for self defense police wouldn't carry them.
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That's nice but why are you quoting me?

What relevance does that have to my comment?
 
DebateChallenge said:
Of course not, why would anybody want to legislate that? What you do with your wife in the bedroom is between you and her and its entirely your business.
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I don't buy the notion that you are unaware of other righties like marke, Logicman, EMNSeattle, RBIII, Wan and about four dozen others here who actually DO think it's their business.

And those people represent a proportional number out in the real world.
And here you are, trying to pretend that you have NO IDEA such people on the Right exist.
Yeah sure...
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It's not whataboutism, but I freely admit that it IS indeed a diversion, a clever one, because it illustrates the cognitive dissonance that happens every time someone wants to flog and demonize people on the left.

And if I bring up the notion that some sort of compromise would make bipartisan cooperation on guns more of a possibility, I am castigated as being just another gun grabber, therefore a "libtard" who wants to take away your guns.

Ergo, in your world, all libtards hate guns and want to take them from you, no compromise, no quarter.
I'm well known around here for being pretty hardcore about not privatizing or abolishing the VA but even I have demonstrated a willingness to cooperate on Trump's VA Mission Act, which extends private practice choices to disabled vets who are in areas underserved by the VA system either due to sheer distances or lack of sufficient facilities or poor service by the specific facility in their area, such in cases where wait times are too long.

If liberals could get one tenth of that much cooperation from the Turtledudes of America, we could get somewhere on the gun issue.
We could turn down the bickering and poisonous rhetoric, and maybe even sit some of the real actual "libtards" down and explain the realities to them and maybe help each other talk THEM down from the ceiling.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo....
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What exactly do we get for a compromise? We are told we have to give up more rights for bogus schemes that aren't even intended to decrease crime. Then a few years later, we are told we have to give up some more

Sorry, that crap doesn't cut it with most of us. We know damn well that crime control is only a facade
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
And if I bring up the notion that some sort of compromise would make bipartisan cooperation on guns more of a possibility, I am castigated as being just another gun grabber, therefore a "libtard" who wants to take away your guns.
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You don't compromise in war, and the war on gun rights is exactly that, a war, in the political realm.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It's not whataboutism, but I freely admit that it IS indeed a diversion, a clever one, because it illustrates the cognitive dissonance that happens every time someone wants to flog and demonize people on the left.

And if I bring up the notion that some sort of compromise would make bipartisan cooperation on guns more of a possibility, I am castigated as being just another gun grabber, therefore a "libtard" who wants to take away your guns.
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A compromise implies that both sides are giving up something in order to get something in return.The anti-2nd amendment side wants the pro-2nd amendment side to give up semiautomatic rifles, 10 to 30 round normal capacity magazines and most likely other semiautomatic firearms. The anti-2nd amendment side also wants more stringent background checks, firearm registration,universal background checks, bullet micro stamping, background check just to buy bullets, limits on how many guns and ammo someone can buy, and so on. What would the anti-2nd amendment be giving up in exchange for the pro-2nd amendment side caving into those demands?

As TurtleDude pointed out the result would be the pro-2nd amendment giving up more of their rights while the anti-2nd amendment side pushes for more gun control. And we know that will be the result because all we have to do is just look at the gun control laws enacted through out the last several decades. So anyone who pro-2nd amendment knows better than to cave into the demands of the anti-2nd amendment side because there will always be more and more and more demands.

This little strip I found on the internet doesn't cover every little gun control law enacted but it covers enough to perfectly illustrate the point that the pro-2nd amendment side shouldn't cave into the demands of the anti-2nd amendment side.


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Checkerboard Strangler said:
It's not whataboutism, but I freely admit that it IS indeed a diversion, a clever one, because it illustrates the cognitive dissonance that happens every time someone wants to flog and demonize people on the left.

And if I bring up the notion that some sort of compromise would make bipartisan cooperation on guns more of a possibility, I am castigated as being just another gun grabber, therefore a "libtard" who wants to take away your guns.

Ergo, in your world, all libtards hate guns and want to take them from you, no compromise, no quarter.
I'm well known around here for being pretty hardcore about not privatizing or abolishing the VA but even I have demonstrated a willingness to cooperate on Trump's VA Mission Act, which extends private practice choices to disabled vets who are in areas underserved by the VA system either due to sheer distances or lack of sufficient facilities or poor service by the specific facility in their area, such in cases where wait times are too long.

If liberals could get one tenth of that much cooperation from the Turtledudes of America, we could get somewhere on the gun issue.
We could turn down the bickering and poisonous rhetoric, and maybe even sit some of the real actual "libtards" down and explain the realities to them and maybe help each other talk THEM down from the ceiling.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo....
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And meanwhile the "Turtledudes of America" come away with lots and lots of lop sided compromises favoring "libtards".Your word not mine.
 
DebateChallenge said:
What goes on between a man and a wife in the bedroom is their business as long as its consensual.
And besides most men wouldn't need a gun to abuse most women.
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pretty sure, by definition, abuse and murder aren't consensual. are you okay?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
They do? Which ones?
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there's no point in trying to argue about this type of thing (or anything, really) with right-wingers. they only care about rights when it's their's being infringed, and even then, only if it's coming from a non-right-winger. They'll gladly give up their rights or betray their own beliefs if they think they'll be safer from Muslims or Mexicans. And they'll gladly violate anyone elses' rights because "they deserved it" or "they don't count" or any number of other dumb ****.
 
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