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Those Who Say Guns Aren't Good For Self Defense Don't Know Guns

I accidentally made a double post but since I can't delete it Im leaving this message in its place.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Maybe you can do what flogger has so far failed to do, give me one example of a gun killing somebody.
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Talk about willful stupidity :shock:

All weapons are inert. Its the inherent lethality of those weapons in the wrong hands thats the case in point

Just how dumb are you prepared to make yourself look here in defence of the indefensible ? :doh
 
flogger said:
Talk about willful stupidity :shock:

All weapons are inert. Its the inherent lethality of those weapons in the wrong hands thats the case in point

Just how dumb are you prepared to make yourself look here in defence of the indefensible ? :doh
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such is the way of the right-winger
 
nekrodev said:
I mean, if personal anecdotes are all that matter, then guns should be banned, because I've never once needed one for anything in my entire life, so clearly they're useless.
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By that silly statement is it safe to assume since I've never needed a fire extinguisher they are useless?
 
flogger said:
In the words of the inimitable John Mc Enroe.......You cannot be serious !:lamo
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Come on show us how a gun killed someone. If you can prove that a gun somewhere pulled it's own trigger all by it's self (and dropping don't count, since someone dropped it) I will turn mine in. Well?
 
VanceMack said:
Really? Most of the time gun owners are just content to own guns and talk about the different guns we own and shoot for sport. Its not until anti gun twats start jumping in and start trying to talk about limiting our rights that the conversation turns in a different direction.

We arent like the UK. We arent a bunch of crippled dependent kneeling subjects that took 1 incident and decided to drop to our knees and sacrifice our rights. We arent the types to sit around watching people getting attacked with acid and getting stabbed on the regular and think "Oh ****...we better ban knives too!" You can bet your ass we arent the type to sit back and pass laws that allow our citizens to be thrown in jail for saying things that might cause someone else to get their sad little ******s damaged. And since we are so radically different the only real question I have to keep coming back to is...what the **** are you lot doing here? What...are you afraid to comment on UK boards because someone might report you there and you might get nicked?
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That's right to. Hell they even afraid to fight back if attacked or threatened especially with a firearm IF they have a permission slip to have one. They go to jail or prison while the perp walks with a little slap on the wrist and basically told don't do it again or your in serious trouble. Both wrists.
 
flogger said:
There's a big difference. A gun is a weapon and is used with an intent to kill .
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When a drunk gets behind the wheel that car becomes a weapon. Now in the drunks mind it's maybe an unintentional weapon with no intent but it's a weapon none the less
If I had a choice and I mean it was just one or the other I would take the bullet over being crushed. But that's just me.
 
flogger said:
If thats the case then where are your sources disputing those figures ?
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Maybe he's waiting for the next National Enquirer to come out. After all inquiring minds want to know...true or not. Guardian,what a joke.
 
jet57 said:
We do have very strict control over all those too don't we.
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There are controls and yet the deaths continue. Maybe there is a lesson about gun controls which can be learned here. People are going to kill with or without guns. There is no need to try to remove guns from Americans that can never be removed anyway, any more than trying to remove alcohol would work.
 
flogger said:
And how many of your countrymen killed using alcohol or tobacco as a weapon ? 73% of them chose a gun. That figure is 2 - 4 % in other developed countries
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Enemies of righteousness have used airplanes here in the US to commit mass murder. That is no justification for trying to take away airplanes.
 
flogger said:
Talk about willful stupidity :shock:

All weapons are inert. Its the inherent lethality of those weapons in the wrong hands thats the case in point

Just how dumb are you prepared to make yourself look here in defence of the indefensible ? :doh
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Why didn't you just say that god knows how many pages back?
 
nekrodev said:
Yep, since I don't need one, clearly no one else does.
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Well then, since I need no government assistance, clearly no one else does either.
Right?
 
nekrodev said:
by your "logic", yep

is this helping you at all understand why anecdotes are stupid and pointless?
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That would be your logic, not mine. All I've said is it should be your choice to own a gun if you want. The "anecdote" was simply a sharing of reality where in my case a gun has proven to be useful in preventing a crime upon myself where I might have been injured or killed.
As I said, if you don't want or feel you would ever have a need of a gun then don't ever own one.
As for those who commit a crime employing a gun, I'd have no problem with making such carry a mandatory death penalty, if proven guilty.
All innocent, law abiding citizens, should be allowed to own guns if they wish with no government constraints as long as they don't use it in a criminal manner.
 
Individual said:
That would be your logic, not mine. All I've said is it should be your choice to own a gun if you want. The "anecdote" was simply a sharing of reality where in my case a gun has proven to be useful in preventing a crime upon myself where I might have been injured or killed.
As I said, if you don't want or feel you would ever have a need of a gun then don't ever own one.
As for those who commit a crime employing a gun, I'd have no problem with making such carry a mandatory death penalty, if proven guilty.
All innocent, law abiding citizens, should be allowed to own guns if they wish with no government constraints as long as they don't use it in a criminal manner.
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I don't support the death penalty-especially for crimes that don't result in the death of a victim (Read the ONION FIELD for edification why making something short of killing a victim, a capital offense, means open season on victims)-but your points are excellent.
 
Individual said:
That would be your logic, not mine. All I've said is it should be your choice to own a gun if you want. The "anecdote" was simply a sharing of reality where in my case a gun has proven to be useful in preventing a crime upon myself where I might have been injured or killed.
As I said, if you don't want or feel you would ever have a need of a gun then don't ever own one.
As for those who commit a crime employing a gun, I'd have no problem with making such carry a mandatory death penalty, if proven guilty.
All innocent, law abiding citizens, should be allowed to own guns if they wish with no government constraints as long as they don't use it in a criminal manner.
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dang, i really felt like we were getting somewhere.

what if i know a guy who was armed and tried to save a lady who was getting car-jacked, but shot the lady instead? or one who was showing off his new gun to one of his buddies and accidentally shot himself and his friend?

do my anecdotes matter yet?
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't support the death penalty-especially for crimes that don't result in the death of a victim (Read the ONION FIELD for edification why making something short of killing a victim, a capital offense, means open season on victims)-but your points are excellent.
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I threw that in only because we seem to have become more soft on punishing criminals today.
Perhaps a 20 year minimum sentence if a weapon was brandished during the commission of a crime, and a mandatory death penalty if someone is killed, including one of the criminals if more than one person is involved in committing the crime?
 
flogger said:
So are you actually trying to deny that guns are designed (indeed invented) as lethal weapons then ? :shock:
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Guns are lethal weapons in the hands of murderers and police officers seeking to stop a murderer.
 
Individual said:
I threw that in only because we seem to have become more soft on punishing criminals today.
Perhaps a 20 year minimum sentence if a weapon was brandished during the commission of a crime, and a mandatory death penalty if someone is killed, including one of the criminals if more than one person is involved in committing the crime?
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I spent years as prosecutor in some manner or another, I don't support the DP except in very rare cases (someone doing life, kills a guard etc) because I know that even the most meticulous prosecutors, the fairest judges, and the most attentive juries can make mistakes.
 
nekrodev said:
dang, i really felt like we were getting somewhere.

what if i know a guy who was armed and tried to save a lady who was getting car-jacked, but shot the lady instead? or one who was showing off his new gun to one of his buddies and accidentally shot himself and his friend?

do my anecdotes matter yet?
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Curious to know just where you think we were getting to?
Not quite the same as my anecdote, which was based on events that actually happened, not "what if", but yes they would matter and such persons would/should/could be charged with manslaughter or something lesser if no death occurred. Gun safety was something I was taught at an early age, before I was given a .22 rifle of my own.


And in addition to my "anecdote", although I can't confirm it to be related to any of the incidents I experienced, a woman was found robbed and stabbed to death alongside her car one morning in the same parking lot. As best I know, the police never solved that crime.
 
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