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Those Who Say Guns Aren't Good For Self Defense Don't Know Guns

Tell that to the far more who get shot to death over there. Guns make killing far too easy

If there were no guns, 20 year old homicidal young men would rule society
 
Including shooting her?

Women who are abused are TWENTY TIMES more likely to be killed if there is a gun in the house.

https://nrcdv.org/dvam/sites/default/files2/FirearmsandDV-TalkingPointsForm.pdf

I'm all about handgun courses in women's shelters. Too many times, these women go back and they end up dead. Hey, if it were up to me, I'd give the handgun course and gun free with the restraining or protective order. I was raised in domestic violence and I'm thankful everyday that my Mom got us out when I was 7. He would've killed her. I think guns are a tool, PEOPLE are the problem.
 
I'm all about handgun courses in women's shelters. Too many times, these women go back and they end up dead. Hey, if it were up to me, I'd give the handgun course and gun free with the restraining or protective order. I was raised in domestic violence and I'm thankful everyday that my Mom got us out when I was 7. He would've killed her. I think guns are a tool, PEOPLE are the problem.

You got that right.
 
So why dont they in other developed countries then ?

I guess you forget that all other developed countries have well armed individuals. You just don't trust citizens-only the government. We trust the citizens more than the government
 
You just don't trust citizens-only the government. We trust the citizens more than the government
I think this really captures the whole debate.

People like Turtle want to be vigilant against government tyranny against the citizenry, just like the founding fathers were. Whereas gun-grabbers have blind faith in the government.
 
But they all have far less guns

And less freedom. Have you ever wondered why the groups with the highest rate of LEGAL gun ownership in the USA have far LOWER rates of gun violence than groups that don't have as high a rate of LEGAL gun ownership?
 
I guess you forget that all other developed countries have well armed individuals. You just don't trust citizens-only the government. We trust the citizens more than the government

Yeah that seems to be really working out for you with 1.5 million needless violent deaths in just 50 years. As long as guys like you can have their 'fun' why care about those right ? :(
 
Anybody who claims guns aren't good and effective for self defense don't know anything about the effectiveness of guns in self defense. Guns are the most effective means for self defense as demonstrated in this video.
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Is this a parody video?
 
Yeah that seems to be really working out for you with 1.5 million needless violent deaths in just 50 years. As long as guys like you can have their 'fun' why care about those right ? :(

You gonna cite that or just a home made Excel graph.
 
Anybody who claims guns aren't good and effective for self defense...

...know how to over rule their emotions with qualitative, quantitative numbers.

They tend to much more emotionally mature (non-Trumpet) and much less fear filled.
 
And less freedom. Have you ever wondered why the groups with the highest rate of LEGAL gun ownership in the USA have far LOWER rates of gun violence than groups that don't have as high a rate of LEGAL gun ownership?

So why are most mass shooters legal gun owners then ? So much for freedom

Being able to kill one another far more easily has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom but fear as I'm sure you already know well :wink:
 
...know how to over rule their emotions with qualitative, quantitative numbers.

They tend to much more emotionally mature (non-Trumpet) and much less fear filled.

The anti gun movement is rather split in half. The followers tend to be emotional and ignorant while the leaders are invariably dishonest, machiavellian and scheming
 
So why are most mass shooters legal gun owners then ? So much for freedom

Being able to kill one another far more easily has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom but fear as I'm sure you already know well :wink:

Your silly definition of freedom is rejected by most people
 
So why are most mass shooters legal gun owners then ? So much for freedom

Being able to kill one another far more easily has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom but fear as I'm sure you already know well :wink:
Because our illustrious govt. lets them get by,then say oops and gets away with it.
 
Only the deranged ones :wink:

That is typical for extremists to claim everyone who doesn't buy into their extremism must be crazy.
 
Only the deranged ones :wink:

No, your definition of freedom is rejected by educated people. Its the uneducated people who want stricter gun control such as the kind of gun control in your country.
 
No, your definition of freedom is rejected by educated people. Its the uneducated people who want stricter gun control such as the kind of gun control in your country.

But... the UK has over 6 million CCTV surveillance cameras to make people like Flogger feel safer.
 
But... the UK has over 6 million CCTV surveillance cameras to make people like Flogger feel safer.

So they want to be watched over by Mommy Government, that's how its done there, not here in the USA.
 
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