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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I agree but I dont think that in all cases permanent revocation of rights is valid, nor what the founders intended.
    As I never suggested permanent revocation, that is fine.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    You said , which includes voting.

    Regardless, restoring rights is not the number one cause for criminal recidivism. Not even close.
    I think it is. If someone is seen as a felon and treated as a felon they are treated as a second-class citizen.

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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    When you apply for most jobs they run a background check on you to see if you're a convicted felon and if you are they will often deny you the job, should that be allowed?
    You didn't answer my question.

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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I think it is. If someone is seen as a felon and treated as a felon they are treated as a second-class citizen.
    What you think is irrelevant. Not having their rights restored is not the primary cause for criminal recidivism. Period. I’ve read through several clinical studies of criminal recidivism and not a single one even mentioned absence of former rights as a cause for criminal recidivism, much less the primary cause. Educate yourself. Thoughts and feelings aren’t facts.

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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    What you think is irrelevant. Not having their rights restored is not the primary cause for criminal recidivism. Period.
    this looks like a claim made without evidence. Watch me dismiss it without evidence.

    I’ve read through several clinical studies of criminal recidivism and not a single one even mentioned absence of former rights as a cause for criminal recidivism, much less the primary cause. Educate yourself. Thoughts and feelings aren’t facts.
    I will educate myself on facts. The claim that you have "Read studies" followed by insistence that you've posted are not facts.

    get onto proving them then I'll happily accept them other than that you're wasting your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    this looks like a claim made without evidence. Watch me dismiss it without evidence.
    I will educate myself on facts. The claim that you have "Read studies" followed by insistence that you've posted are not facts.
    get onto proving them then I'll happily accept them other than that you're wasting your time.
    I could ignore your weak attempt at deflection and disregard your desire to hang onto your ignorant view, but would rather help you to expand your knowledge, so here ya go (“supreme knower of all”):

    Seven Things to Know About Repeat Offenders | The Marshall Project

    Exploring Factors Contributing to Recidivism: The Case of Dessie and Woldiya Correctional Centers

    Recidivism | National Institute of Justice

    http://risk-resilience.berkeley.edu/...lness_2011.pdf

    You’re welcome.

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