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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You literally cannot define punishment without vengeance by way of retribution.

    It's about perspective. Knowledge + perspective = understanding. I figure you've got all the knowledge you just can't see my perspective. It would be one thing if you did and disagreed, but you're not seeing what I'm seeing.

    I'm seeing a failed justice system because the common man and even much of the learned see it as a punishment system.
    You really are hilarious. Just keeping living in your alternate reality.

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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    You really are hilarious. Just keeping living in your alternate reality.
    You should see my funny stuff.

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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    so I didn't say recidivism occurs because people don't get to vote,
    You said
    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Keeping someone in that status after they've served their time it's probably the number one cause of the recidivism rate in the US.
    , which includes voting.

    Regardless, restoring rights is not the number one cause for criminal recidivism. Not even close.

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    Re: Felons

    As felons have already established that they engage in wrongful thinking there is no reason to immediately grant restoration of rights.
    All rights should only be automatically restored after a period of time of non-criminal behavior after they have been discharged from their sentence. Any criminal activity, no matter how small would restart the tolling of that time, with prison/jail time suspending the clock until they are again discharged.


    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I get why violent felons lose their second amendment rights but not non-violent felons.
    You may very well get it, but the association is specious.
    If a person used a gun wrongly then I could certainty see the loss as an outcome, but not just all those who were convicted of a violent crime, as having been violent does not mean the person would go to the extent of using a firearm in a wrongful manner.
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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Check what and see?
    When you apply for most jobs they run a background check on you to see if you're a convicted felon and if you are they will often deny you the job, should that be allowed?

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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    As felons have already established that they engage in wrongful thinking there is no reason to immediately grant restoration of rights.
    All rights should only be automatically restored after a period of time of non-criminal behavior after they have been discharged from their sentence. Any criminal activity, no matter how small would restart the tolling of that time, with prison/jail time suspending the clock until they are again discharged.


    You may very well get it, but the association is specious.
    If a person used a gun wrongly then I could certainty see the loss as an outcome, but not just all those who were convicted of a violent crime, as having been violent does not mean the person would go to the extent of using a firearm in a wrongful manner.
    Wrongful thinking deserves taking away rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I was just thinking that if I was a felon I would vote for sweeping gun control laws to take guns away from other people to make the world safer for not only me but my family.

    I get why violent felons lose their second amendment rights but not non-violent felons. You could grow too much weed on your property and lose your right to near arms over it, it just doesnt make sense.
    Trouble is, it wouldn't make it safer. Did you know it's really not possible to stop a felon from getting a gun? There's this thing out there called the black market. Oh...there always theft of course.

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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    As felons have already established that they engage in wrongful thinking there is no reason to immediately grant restoration of rights.
    All rights should only be automatically restored after a period of time of non-criminal behavior after they have been discharged from their sentence. Any criminal activity, no matter how small would restart the tolling of that time, with prison/jail time suspending the clock until they are again discharged.


    You may very well get it, but the association is specious.
    If a person used a gun wrongly then I could certainty see the loss as an outcome, but not just all those who were convicted of a violent crime, as having been violent does not mean the person would go to the extent of using a firearm in a wrongful manner.
    Quite right. Felons can get their rights restored by petitioning a court. There is no reason to automatically restore rights after serving their time. There is, however, a reason required in the ruling if a judge determines rights are not to be restored.

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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Wrongful thinking deserves taking away rights?
    It isn't just the thinking, but the acting on that wrongful thinking as well.

    So yes, not abiding by society's laws is a valid reason to temporarily revoke rights and privileges until a certain amount of non-criminal time has passed.





    Quote Originally Posted by Tans View Post
    Quite right. Felons can get their rights restored by petitioning a court. There is no reason to automatically restore rights after serving their time. There is, however, a reason required in the ruling if a judge determines rights are not to be restored.
    No. The individual should not have such a burden placed on them. Such a burden should only apply to the state to prove as they did with the conviction of committing a crime, and only for temporary purposes.

    As I stated it should be automatic after a specific period of time of non-criminal activity after discharge. That establishes a willingness on the part of the individual to follow societies rules.
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    Re: Felons

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It isn't just the thinking, but the acting on that wrongful thinking as well.

    So yes, not abiding by society's laws is a valid reason to temporarily revoke rights and privileges until a certain amount of non-criminal time has passed.






    No. The individual should not have a burden placed on them other than
    As I stated it should be automatic after a specific period of time of non-criminal activity after discharge. That establishes a willingness on the part of the individual to follow societies rules.
    I agree but I dont think that in all cases permanent revocation of rights is valid, nor what the founders intended.

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