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4 yr Old shoots 6 yr Old Dead

btthegreat said:
Not nessisarily. The NRA will probably write an editorial reminding us If we had armed the good guy six year old and given him some shooting lessons so that he could defend himself against the 4 year old thug instead of waiting for the cops to come......
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Actually, the NRA PREACHES gun safety particularly keeping guns out of the reach of children.
 
This is an incredible tragedy, and this family will never get over it.

A six year old's death makes the news because of behaviors that are common place. At best this can serve as a warning to other parents....to not be quite so casual about your very serious obligations when exercising your 2nd amendment rights.

I cannot imagine why a loaded gun would be kept in the console of a car. But maybe there's a reason. I cannot imagine why a 4 year old was not restrained in a car seat that would not have access to a console with a loaded gun, but maybe there's a reason.

I hope all parents everywhere examine their actions, and how those might endanger their children.

I pray for that little girl. This is a true horror.
 
ecofarm said:
We're talking mandatory certification of 6 year olds, and perhaps an additional class at later years. High handed government compulsory education. For everyone in public school. This is big gubmint intruding on private lives for the greater good.

And you're in?
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I choose to opt out of any mandatory gun education that does not include abstinence from gun ownership. Christians can opt out of sex ed, so fair is fair. ;)
 
JMR said:
This is an incredible tragedy, and this family will never get over it.

A six year old's death makes the news because of behaviors that are common place. At best this can serve as a warning to other parents....to not be quite so casual about your very serious obligations when exercising your 2nd amendment rights.

I cannot imagine why a loaded gun would be kept in the console of a car. But maybe there's a reason. I cannot imagine why a 4 year old was not restrained in a car seat that would not have access to a console with a loaded gun, but maybe there's a reason.

I hope all parents everywhere examine their actions, and how those might endanger their children.

I pray for that little girl. This is a true horror.
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whoops, didn’t mean to quote ya
 
TurtleDude said:
Many of us do-but I don't have small children in my car. When my son was young-before he learned about gun safety, I didn't. Or if he had friends in the car, I didn't. He's 21 and he's the youngest person who might be in my car
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Yes. Lots of adults leave a gun in an easily accessible place within the car. It only makes sense.

Of course, those adults need to be sure no unaccompanied children can access those guns.
 
Clearly a tragic accident that could have been avoided if cars were banned ;)
 
TurtleDude said:
So what exact law would have stopped this? What punishment would cause someone to be more careful-a punishment that is more drastic than losing a child. People do stupid stuff. This was a case of the mother not thinking. And trying to make anti gun points with this is really pretty pathetic
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Punishment? Manslaughter charges for the negligent mom, of course.
 
calamity said:
It looks like "the Lord" missed one here.
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Probably just being inundated with pleas from sport team fans.
We just got thru March Madness and now we have baseball playoffs.
 
ecofarm said:
Is four years too young for a gun safety lesson? A demonstration of a shot (wearing ear protection), then explain why don't touch it and to get an adult immediately if a gun is seen.

Perhaps that couldn't save a four year old. I think a single gun safety lesson (without
even touching a weapon) could save many children, and it should be mandatory early in elementary school.
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How about the adult? Should they not have had to attend gun safety classes before purchasing the gun?
 
calamity said:
Yes. Lots of adults leave a gun in an easily accessible place within the car. It only makes sense.

Of course, those adults need to be sure no unaccompanied children can access those guns.
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Guns for defensive purposes are useless if they are not readily available. But leaving a gun easily accessible to an untrained child is moronic. I don't know if we can pass laws that stop moronic. Laws are best designed to stop intentional behavior. "If I rob a bank and get caught, I do 15 to 25 in a USP". If I speed and the cops pull me over, I pay a 100 dollar fine". That works far better than-IF I forget my gun is in the console and I exit the car and my four year old shoots my 6 year old in the head, I will get some sort of charges against me"
 
calamity said:
Punishment? Manslaughter charges for the negligent mom, of course.
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Do you know if she was aware the gun was there? Tell us what good it will do to put her in prison. Will that help the traumatized child? Seems to me, the punishment is already rather brutal
 
TurtleDude said:
Do you know if she was aware the gun was there? Tell us what good it will do to put her in prison. Will that help the traumatized child? Seems to me, the punishment is already rather brutal
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It is brutal. But, whoever put that gun there has to answer for their negligence. I agree, we do not know if it was the woman's fault.
 
marke said:
Life is full of tragedies. Trust in the Lord for protection from trouble or comfort in trouble.
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Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers. People are pretty sick of that bull****.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers. People are pretty sick of that bull****.
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Do you know what many of us are sick of? Trying to encroach on our rights by acting as if this tragedy is typical? My rights should not be limited because someone else did something stupid or didn't think ahead.
 
calamity said:
It is brutal. But, whoever put that gun there has to answer for their negligence. I agree, we do not know if it was the woman's fault.
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We have to find the facts. We don't know all of them yet. I have a gun in my car. No one else drives my car. When the car goes into service, the gun is taken out. The only two other people who have access to my keys have CCW permits. But they don't know the gun is there. They assume there is a gun in the car and act accordingly. But what if the husband left a gun in his car. He doesn't expect the wife to take his car but she does.

I realize lots of people-especially gun haters, want to punish people like this. They don't seem really keen on punishing armed criminals or criminals who lie on form 4473 or straw purchasers who lie on that form as well, but they want to throw the book at someone who has just lost a child.
 
ecofarm said:
Does a mandatory gun safety lesson, provision of certification or go on the school field trip, for elementary school students constitute gun control? I'm not sure everyone is comfortable with a shift in paradigm.
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It would be anti-gunners who would oppose this. But the fact is there are hundreds of millions of guns out there - and pass all the laws they want to and there still will be hundreds of millions of guns in the USA - and every year thousands and thousands of kids will die because of stupid mistakes by parents - mistakes of all kinds. Not putting chemicals away locked up. Things that cut, crush, poison, ways to drown and fall. And carelessness with firearms. The list is long.

I think around the 9th to 10th grade, schools should teach even more about firearms. Ideally to fire firearms under supervision (though it would be reasonable to require parental permission to handle and fire a gun). The class would teach how a gun works - different types, about gun safety and about gun laws. I'd like to see target shooting be added to athletic programs, probably limited to .22s and possibly small gauge shotgun skeet shooting in high school. I'd like to see the local police involved at least in part in the class.

I do agree, though, that the dangers and mysteries of guns be dealt with at a much earlier age, also taught in schools.
 
TurtleDude said:
Do you know what many of us are sick of? Trying to encroach on our rights by acting as if this tragedy is typical? My rights should not be limited because someone else did something stupid or didn't think ahead.
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Yea, yea your rights. Just send thoughts and prayers. I could care less what you are sick of.
 
Crosscheck said:
How about the adult? Should they not have had to attend gun safety classes before purchasing the gun?
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I'll take responsibility for small children not having a clue and I'm willing to spend tax payer dollars to help them out.

You want taxpayer dollars for adults? If it's not free, it's an infringement disproportionately felt by the poor.
 
calamity said:
Jesus ****ing Christ!



Unbelievable
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I didn't read the story. I don't need to.

I support the four year olds second amendment rights. Was the six year old a foreigner?
 
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