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Feminists Should LOVE the Second Amendment

Bucky said:
It is pretty evident how to stop these shootings and the answer has nothing to do with arming more people.

As for the original topic of the thread, women in general compared to men do not like guns for the following reasons:

1. Men are more violent than women
2. Men are more aggressive than women
3. Men have less empathy than women
4. Men in distress are less likely to seek help compared to women.
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The preponderance of the research evidence indicates that you are wrong about your first three assumptions.
 
Yeah, because feminists are one homogenous group that agrees on everything.
 
Bucky said:
Also, the most powerful weapon we have in stopping shooters is our mind. We need more skillful tactical negotiators trained in crisis negotiation.
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Of course, having a sound mind is more important than having access to guns. But, good people with good sound minds should have access to guns.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Of course, having a sound mind is more important than having access to guns. But, good people with good sound minds should have access to guns.
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That's silly. That's like saying the way to combat drunk driving and car accidents is to put more drivers on the road.

No matter how much "training" one has with firearms the average person should not have one. The fact is, the majority of people do not even want to be armed. Do you know the potential psychological toll it has on one's mind to shoot another person?

The majority of drivers cannot handle driving 60 mph. Do you think civilians can be trained to be restraint with their firearms?

That is a big fat no.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Of course, having a sound mind is more important than having access to guns. But, good people with good sound minds should have access to guns.
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the majority of drivers have "sound minds" but a lot of foolishness happens on the roads. How many driver's go above the speed limit? How many driver's fully stop at a stop sign? How many drivers's know about zip lanes?

And you think arming teachers, hotel staff, librarians, etc.. is going to make us safer? I should call you jihad debate challenge.
 
Bucky said:
That's silly. That's like saying the way to combat drunk driving and car accidents is to put more drivers on the road.
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Yes, we put police officers with cars on the road to combat drunk driving.

Bucky said:
No matter how much "training" one has with firearms the average person should not have one.
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What is your definition of an "average person?"

Bucky said:
The fact is, the majority of people do not even want to be armed.
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That's their choice. As for good law abiding people who do want to be armed, that's also their choice.

Bucky said:
Do you know the potential psychological toll it has on one's mind to shoot another person?
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Do you?

Bucky said:
The majority of drivers cannot handle driving 60 mph.
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You don't get out much on the road, do you. There are lots of roads that have 65+ mph speed limits.

Bucky said:
Do you think civilians can be trained to be restraint with their firearms?

That is a big fat no.
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Sure they can. I know many that have.
 
Bucky said:
the majority of drivers have "sound minds" but a lot of foolishness happens on the roads. How many driver's go above the speed limit? How many driver's fully stop at a stop sign? How many drivers's know about zip lanes?
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Having tons of experience with both cars and guns, I would say its easier to handle a gun safely than a car safely.

Bucky said:
And you think arming teachers, hotel staff, librarians, etc.. is going to make us safer? I should call you jihad debate challenge.
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It would be very specialized but some people in those positions should be armed. As I said it would be very specialized with them undergoing training to make sure they're qualified.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Having tons of experience with both cars and guns, I would say its easier to handle a gun safely than a car safely.


It would be very specialized but some people in those positions should be armed. As I said it would be very specialized with them undergoing training to make sure they're qualified.
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Bucky is spewing BS that anyone who has had any real experience in firearms or familiarity with lawful gun culture, knows is oozing garbage.
 
SDET said:
That means that you don't understand feminism. Feminism means advancing at others expense without earning it. Being accountable and self reliant has nothing to do with current feminists.
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Poor poor victims, some men are today.

"after a lifetime of privilege, equality feels like oppression"
 
Bucky said:
These people are trained officials that have the appropriate license and training to obtain a firearm.

Cops and soldiers in the military need a firearm to keep us safe.
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How does training prevent gun crimes?
 
Bucky said:
Like I have said many many times, a gun is not likely to make you any safer.
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I don't think the claim is that a gun will make you safer. A gun afford you an opportunity to use it defensively. And no gun does not.

The only thing you can say about possessing a gun and knowing how to use it is that it affords you tactical advantage.
 
Lursa said:
Poor poor victims, some men are today.

"after a lifetime of privilege, equality feels like oppression"
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For the most part, no. If they keep their guard up, they will be fine. The idea is not to let that guard down even for a minute. Men can architect their lives to be feminist-proof.
 
SDET said:
For the most part, no. If they keep their guard up, they will be fine. The idea is not to let that guard down even for a minute. Men can architect their lives to be feminist-proof.
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Now you know how women feel/have felt, since...forever. Except men's historical M.O.'s have been rape and murder and abandonment and just your garden-variety violence in general.

"Men are afraid that women will laugh at them

Women are afraid that men will kill them."

Margaret Atwood

Again..equality is rough on ya, eh? Poor victims.
 
Lursa said:
Now you know how women feel/have felt, since...forever. Except men's historical M.O.'s have been rape and murder and abandonment and just your garden-variety violence in general.

"Men are afraid that women will laugh at them

Women are afraid that men will kill them."

Margaret Atwood

Again..equality is rough on ya, eh? Poor victims.
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It's actually financially ruin, not laugh. It's odd that you put abandonment in the same category as rape and murder. Haven't you heard of freedom of association?
 
SDET said:
It's actually financially ruin, not laugh.
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Yes...because your egos and $$ are more important than our lives :roll:
 
Lursa said:
Yes...because your egos and $$ are more important than our lives :roll:
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I wonder if that fear of rape and murder comes from women's attraction to "bad boys". Most guys I know resemble the dad from "Wonder Years". Cranky and busy, but certainly not violent.
 
SDET said:
I wonder if that fear of rape and murder comes from women's attraction to "bad boys". Most guys I know resemble the dad from "Wonder Years". Cranky and busy, but certainly not violent.
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WTF? We're back to "she asked for it?" :doh

Approx 90% of all violence in the US perpetrated by men (FBI data). And historically, it's been only more, not less.

No one's making this up. But the denial is amazing in some.
 
Bucky said:
These people are trained officials that have the appropriate license and training to obtain a firearm.

Cops and soldiers in the military need a firearm to keep us safe.
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Yet when one of those traned people leaves their profession they are treated as if none of that matters, not logical.
 
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Lursa said:
Yes...because your egos and $$ are more important than our lives :roll:
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How does my owning firearms threaten your life, if anything my owning them makes you safer, without your knowledge of-course.
 
Casper said:
How does my owning firearms threaten your life, if anything my owning them makes you safer, without your knowledge of-course.
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Are you sure you meant to respond to me?

Because he and I were discussing something completely different.
 
Lursa said:
WTF? We're back to "she asked for it?" :doh

Approx 90% of all violence in the US perpetrated by men (FBI data). And historically, it's been only more, not less.

No one's making this up. But the denial is amazing in some.
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honestly.. that's not true... 90% of the violence is not likely perpetrated by men.. in fact.. if you think about it.. you would realize the problem with such logic.

No.. 90% of the violence is not perpetrated by men.

Its that 90% of the folks that are ARRESTED or convicted. of violence are men.

Woman slaps the crap out of guy... she is not going to jail..in fact its unlikely she is going to be even reported.. In fact.. society sees it as amusing.

Just thing of all the movies you have seen where the guy says something the girl doesn't like and she slaps him.. and the audience laughs..

now think what happens when the woman says something the man doesn't like.. and he slaps her...... what happens?

In actuality women are just as violent and aggressive as men.. our society just is predisposed to not notice it. In fact in some cases downright deny it.

In fact.. if you are talking denial.. that's the major denial.. the denial that women are as violent as men.

Lorena Bobbitt cut off her husbands member.. and threw it out a window.. and she got 45 days of psych evaluation..and was released.

What if a man had cut off her wifes breasts..what would happen to him.
 
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jaeger19 said:
honestly.. that's not true... 90% of the violence is not likely perpetrated by men.. in fact.. if you think about it.. you would realize the problem with such logic.

No.. 90% of the violence is not perpetrated by men.

Its that 90% of the folks that are ARRESTED or convicted. of violence are men.

Woman slaps the crap out of guy... she is not going to jail..in fact its unlikely she is going to be even reported.. In fact.. society sees it as amusing.

Just thing of all the movies you have seen where the guy says something the girl doesn't like and she slaps him.. and the audience laughs..

now think what happens when the woman says something the man doesn't like.. and he slaps her...... what happens?

In actuality women are just as violent and aggressive as men.. our society just is predisposed to not notice it. In fact in some cases downright deny it.

In fact.. if you are talking denial.. that's the major denial.. the denial that women are as violent as men.

Lorena Bobbitt cut off her husbands member.. and threw it out a window.. and she got 45 days of psych evaluation..and was released.

What if a man had cut off her wifes breasts..what would happen to him.
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Wow. As if it's the same as the rape and murder we were discussing.

And as if all history just disappeared. Even for lesser acts, just look at people in public and watch the men interact vs women. Unbelievable!

It's basic mammalian biology too...for pretty much all mammals. Serious female aggression is mostly seen to protect young but we fix/neuter/castrate/geld male mammals for a reason.

But feel free to provide some sources that agree with the bold.
 
Lursa said:
Wow. As if it's the same as the rape and murder we were discussing.

And as if all history just disappeared. Even for lesser acts, just look at people in public and watch the men interact vs women. Unbelievable!

It's basic mammalian biology too...for pretty much all mammals. Serious female aggression is mostly seen to protect young but we fix/neuter/castrate/geld male mammals for a reason.

But feel free to provide some sources that agree with the bold.
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Sure Lursa.. you should know me by now..

As a rule of thumb, men are responsible for over 90 percent of serious violent crimes, such as assaults, homicides, and violent robberies. Why is there such a large gender gap and is it likely to persist?

One might imagine that lower violent crime rates for women reflects a generally lower level of aggression. Yet, marriage researchers observe the opposite pattern. Women are more likely to pick fights with their husbands, they are quicker to escalate verbal aggression, and are as likely to use physical aggression as men (1).

Despite these counter-intuitive findings, men are much more likely to be convicted of domestic-violence-related charges
1. Arriaga, X. B., and Oskamp, S., Eds. (1999). Violence in intimate relationships. London: Sage
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And as if all history just disappeared. Even for lesser acts, just look at people in public and watch the men interact vs women. Unbelievable
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Yep..look at society. Woman grabs a guys rear.. its funny.. and sexy.. she is an assertive woman.. she sure as heck is not going to get arrested over it.

A man does it? Officer!

Biologically women are just as violent and just as aggressive. their smaller size.. simply means they are less likely to cause serious damage.. as a man can by virtue of being bigger.

and society accepts female to male violence and often female to female aggression and violence (at least from a law perspective) .. while it does not accept male to female violence.. and male to male violence.

Watch society.. two guys get in a fight.. somebody.. perhaps both.. are going to jail.

Two girls get in a fight.. no one goes to jail unless they piss off the police officer.

Guy slaps girl....go to jail

Girl slaps guy.. no jail.

Oh and yes.. history is interesting.. for generations.. society was sure that women were biologically weak, indecisive, faint hearted.. unable to lead men.. unable to do math.. etc..

And gee those stereotypes were wrong...

Hmmm.. violence and aggression.....think about it.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
Feminists should LOVE the second amendment, this makes lots of sense.

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Females like handguns, which no one is trying to restrict. AR-15, however, is the male penis enhancement weapon most people would like to see banned.
 
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