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Court reinstates Sandy Hook lawsuit against gunmaker

I'm hearing the strategy for this is to find out marketing practices. It is believed gun companies market to people they know are going to abuse it. Much like they went after the tobacco industry. Joe Camel and all that.
It will be interesting.
 
TurtleDude said:
I started shooting competitively before I obtained a driver's license-I have been shooting on South America, Central America, all over the USA, Canada, and England-both wingshooting and shoot ISU Skeet for various US teams.
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I bet that is a total blast! I've noticed I have a natural skill, but never developed it. I already have enough hobbies and family to pay for, but it's such a fun experience and can be a good outlet. I imagine you must have quite the skill and love of it to have done what you have.
 
TurtleDude said:
Explain since I doubt anyone who actually understands the legal framework about this bogus suit does. Do you want to claim you know more about firearms and firearms law than I do?
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Firearms wasn't what I was talking about - but do go on.
 
Keridan said:
I bet that is a total blast! I've noticed I have a natural skill, but never developed it. I already have enough hobbies and family to pay for, but it's such a fun experience and can be a good outlet. I imagine you must have quite the skill and love of it to have done what you have.
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Yep, and I continue to teach kids various shooting sports. One boy I worked with was on the 96 team in Skeet, and another won two world championships and holds all the US records in one archery discipline. I have found that kids who are PROPERLY instructed in shooting sports

tend to have higher grades
more self respect and respect of others
and get into far less trouble

than many similarly situated youth.

sort of like martial arts-kids who earn black belts aren't getting busted by cops
 
jghiretire said:
Firearms wasn't what I was talking about - but do go on.
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Well then write what you meant since this is a firearms thread and that is what we should be talking about
 
TurtleDude said:
Yep, and I continue to teach kids various shooting sports. One boy I worked with was on the 96 team in Skeet, and another won two world championships and holds all the US records in one archery discipline. I have found that kids who are PROPERLY instructed in shooting sports

tend to have higher grades
more self respect and respect of others
and get into far less trouble

than many similarly situated youth.

sort of like martial arts-kids who earn black belts aren't getting busted by cops
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Interesting that you randomly hit on my discipline. I'm ... well, best description is MMA, but not in the sense of the stuff you see on TV. Mostly Tae-kwon-do, but 2 of my best instructors were awesome at karate and several of the "force resolution" arts.

I think any kid who has a healthy interest in something and does well at it can be helped. Shooting/archery is absolutely no exception. Show them a healthy focus, give them encouragement, and you will see good results. It has the added benefit of them being safer both for themselves and others.

That instruction must make you feel good. It should. It's a great way to contribute.
 
Keridan said:
Interesting that you randomly hit on my discipline. I'm ... well, best description is MMA, but not in the sense of the stuff you see on TV. Mostly Tae-kwon-do, but 2 of my best instructors were awesome at karate and several of the "force resolution" arts.

I think any kid who has a healthy interest in something and does well at it can be helped. Shooting/archery is absolutely no exception. Show them a healthy focus, give them encouragement, and you will see good results. It has the added benefit of them being safer both for themselves and others.

That instruction must make you feel good. It should. It's a great way to contribute.
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Yep, calling it a night-SYL. Early morning tomorrow
 
calamity said:
Your post was arrogant. You're the one making a blanket statement. Why are you against the parent of a dead child exercising his or her 7th Amendment rights?
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Obviously you don't know what 'blanket statement' means. The rest of your post suggests you're reply to the wrong person. :roll: Dismissed.
 
When does Hollywood get sued for promoting gun violence? They are the real villians here. 24/7 there is some tv show glorifying killing with guns. If we're going to punish Remington for marketing a tool to kill, then Hollywood should be punished 1000x. In reality, ARs are not even sold as weapons for violence against people. They are almost unanimously purchased for the entertainment of shooting targets. As almost no one except the military or police ever actually expect to use their rifle to shoot a human. 99.9% of people with guns have never fired a gun at a human.

Heck, rifles are only even rarely used to murder. Handguns are 20x more common.

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 4
 
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jonny5 said:
When does Hollywood get sued for promoting gun violence? They are the real villians here. 24/7 there is some tv show glorifying killing with guns. If we're going to punish Remington for marketing a tool to kill, then Hollywood should be punished 1000x.
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Nope that would go against the First Amendment.
 
jghiretire said:
I'm hearing the strategy for this is to find out marketing practices. It is believed gun companies market to people they know are going to abuse it. Much like they went after the tobacco industry. Joe Camel and all that.
It will be interesting.
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This is what they hope they find. It's rather unlikely.
 
TurtleDude said:
Why are the people who most favoring banning something-the most ignorant about the item they want to ban

all assault rifles made after May 19, 1986 are banned for private ownership. All of those made before May 19,1986, have become so expensive that 15,000 dollars is the bare minimum. There has NEVER been a case of a privately owned, legal Assault rifle being used for murder in the USA
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I don't think its ignorance. More like deception on their part. For example the usual anti-2nd amendment trash posters on this site have been informed over and over again that assault rifles refer to select fire magazine fed automatic rifles that use an intermediate size cartridge. I am sure many anti-2nd amendment trash in office and in the media have been informed of this as well. But yet even after being informed of this they continue to spew the lie that the AR15 is an assault rifle. They fraudulently use the term assault rifle to give the impression that its a weapon of war. Which in their minds makes it easier to push for a ban on semiautomatic firearms.
 
calamity said:
The Seventh Amendment is generally considered one of the more straightforward amendments of the Bill of Rights. While the Seventh Amendment's provision for jury trials in civil cases has never been incorporated (i.e., applied to the states) almost every state voluntarily complies with this requirement.


So, what exactly is your argument? Do you even have one?
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I don't know about the poster to whom you were originally responding, but I would counter with the fact that the Seventh Amendment did nothing to alter the provision of Article III, Section 2, Clause 2, which explicitly grants to Congress the authority to determine the jurisdiction of the federal courts. There is no violation of the Seventh Amendment, as Congress has exercised its authority under Article III to remove from the jurisdiction of the courts any lawsuits against gun manufacturers whose sole basis is the fact that they manufactured the firearm at issue.
 
Roadvirus said:
great. so when I get hit by a car, I can sue Ford.

Or if a drunk hits me, I can sue Ford AND Budweiser.
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Don't forget to include Firestone, levi, and nike

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SenorXm/Sirius said:
We are all mostly products of our own experiences.

I'm guessing if it was 1 of our 6 year olds who was shot and needlessly killed some here might have different opinions.
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I know what mine would be.

I would be pissed as hell as this is what is dominating the news.. whats dominating the courts and politics.

The frigging guy KILLED his mother..and stole her firearms that she legally bought.

And we are talking that its the gun manufacturer.


And yet this guy had a mental health history.. and no one is asking.. how come this guy either did not get the help he needed.. or was not in some kind of facility as he was a danger to others.

I would be just livid if I was a parent of a kid shot by this guy. Using the death of my child.. to further their political ends.. and financial ends... WITH ABSOLTUELY NO CHANCE OF DOING ANYTHING TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING TO SOMEONE ELSES CHILD!..

Cripes..
 
HumblePi said:
Pretty obvious you're a proud member of the NRA and 'all man' I'm sure. The guns prove it, don't they? Bravo
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Actually no I'm not a member,sorry that disappoints you. Does that mean I'm not all man? By they way in your very own words what is an assault rifle?
 
=HumblePi;1069815566]All of it. Nobody but someone in the military needs a weapon that can fire 700 rounds a minute. Can you picture in your mind what these little kids looked like when murdered at close range with a weapon like this? Did they have a skull left or their face, did it shoot off one of their arms or legs? That's brutal yes, but that's the reality of what happened to these innocent six year old kids and all because of a maniac with a weapon that could fire 700 rounds a minute.
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Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle=45 rounds per minute. Where does this 700 per minute come into play?
And I'm kinda with TD on this. Had Lanza used the Saiga 12 gauge and both,hell 1 20 round drum the damage would have been horrendous[er].
What Adam Lanza Took, and Didn't Take, to Sandy Hook Elementary - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
 
HumblePi said:
All of it. Nobody but someone in the military needs a weapon that can fire 700 rounds a minute. ...a maniac with a weapon that could fire 700 rounds a minute.
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If you can actuate an AR-15 at a rate of 700 rpm, you are someone that has such dexterity with your finger that I can only assume you are very popular with the ladies.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
If you can actuate an AR-15 at a rate of 700 rpm, you are someone that has such dexterity with your finger that I can only assume you are very popular with the ladies.
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Jerry Miculek can only hit five per second.
 
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