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Lutherf

Lutherf

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I think the revolver is an Iver Johnson but I have no idea on the other piece. All I have is this picture and another that isn't as good. I have no idea what kind of markings are on anything so, basically, not much to go on other than both appear to be WWII era and if the revolver is British then I'm figuring it's likely that the pistol is too.

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Lutherf said:
I think the revolver is an Iver Johnson but I have no idea on the other piece. All I have is this picture and another that isn't as good. I have no idea what kind of markings are on anything so, basically, not much to go on other than both appear to be WWII era and if the revolver is British then I'm figuring it's likely that the pistol is too.

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Sten gun?
 
Lutherf said:
I think the revolver is an Iver Johnson but I have no idea on the other piece. All I have is this picture and another that isn't as good. I have no idea what kind of markings are on anything so, basically, not much to go on other than both appear to be WWII era and if the revolver is British then I'm figuring it's likely that the pistol is too.

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The revolver looks to be a smith & Wesson army model. Though the break and trigger guard are off.

Is it a .32?
 
I think the smg thing is a homemade Sten copy, or a copy of a MAT 49 without folding foregrip. The stock is MAT 49 style. The Germans at the end of WWII made a Sten copy with the mag down because that was more similar to their gun layout. The welding looks handmade and the metal looks new. Notice the pistol grip is classic AR-15.
 
uptower said:
I think the smg thing is a homemade Sten copy, or a copy of a MAT 49 without folding foregrip. The stock is MAT 49 style. The Germans at the end of WWII made a Sten copy with the mag down because that was more similar to their gun layout. The welding looks handmade and the metal looks new. Notice the pistol grip is classic AR-15.
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that's a good guess since the British SMGs of the era were side feeding. I have shot a MAT 49 and its sort of close but I don't think its that. Does it fire from an open bolt and is it FA?
 
Lutherf said:
I think the revolver is an Iver Johnson but I have no idea on the other piece. All I have is this picture and another that isn't as good. I have no idea what kind of markings are on anything so, basically, not much to go on other than both appear to be WWII era and if the revolver is British then I'm figuring it's likely that the pistol is too.

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Do you know if they still fire?
 
I don't think it's a Sten. The Sten usually had the magazine sticking out the side and the welding really does look like a DIY.

I may know more tomorrow or over the weekend. Just got a call from a buddy whose wife has a friend....etc.
 
Lutherf said:
I haven't even put my hands on them yet.
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Well, ****. I probably don't have to tell you to be careful with guns that are over seventy years old. If you have the ammo, though . . .
 
Lutherf said:
I think the revolver is an Iver Johnson but I have no idea on the other piece. All I have is this picture and another that isn't as good. I have no idea what kind of markings are on anything so, basically, not much to go on other than both appear to be WWII era and if the revolver is British then I'm figuring it's likely that the pistol is too.

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One gun looks like a home-made copy of an American M3 grease gun.
 
These look like examples of Yugoslavian and Bulgarian handiwork. The revolver is definitely Bulgarian. A 5 chamber .26.
 
Lutherf said:
I think the revolver is an Iver Johnson but I have no idea on the other piece. All I have is this picture and another that isn't as good. I have no idea what kind of markings are on anything so, basically, not much to go on other than both appear to be WWII era and if the revolver is British then I'm figuring it's likely that the pistol is too.

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I want to see the one with the shrouded barrel looks like a TEC-9 with a extension barrel and shoulder stock.

The revolver almost looks like a Husqvarna.
 
someone made a good point about the pistol grip looking a bit more recent than a WWII era weapon. I will note the following-if that thing is full auto-or even open bolt-be really careful. The last thing you want to be caught with is an unregistered (no Class III paperwork) Class III weapon.
 
TurtleDude said:
someone made a good point about the pistol grip looking a bit more recent than a WWII era weapon. I will note the following-if that thing is full auto-or even open bolt-be really careful. The last thing you want to be caught with is an unregistered (no Class III paperwork) Class III weapon.
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I'll take a look this weekend but the information I'm getting is that it's an Enfield MP-9 -
UTLRA RARE: Enfield America MP9 Assault Pistol - Louisiana Sportsman Classifieds, LA

Other than that I'm not finding much else.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have never heard of such a thing to be honest. Do you know how to tell if its an open bolt weapon?
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It can't be much different than the mechanism on an M-60. Lock the bolt back, pull the trigger and if it slams you've got open bolt, right? Then, if that's the case, there's another little issue, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Lutherf said:
It can't be much different than the mechanism on an M-60. Lock the bolt back, pull the trigger and if it slams you've got open bolt, right? Then, if that's the case, there's another little issue, if I'm not mistaken.
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He may mean for this specific example, can the OP determine if it is open or closed bolt.
 
Rucker61 said:
He may mean for this specific example, can the OP determine if it is open or closed bolt.
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The reason I ask is that some open bolt SEMI AUTOS were classified as restricted Class III items by ATF due to how easy it was to convert them to full auto
 
I just found some more information - What Is It ? - Page 2

If this guy is right then that would explain why nobody has ever heard of this thing.

Also, if it's classified as "AOW" then, presumably, it needs to be registered before it can be sold, right?
 
Lutherf said:
I just found some more information - What Is It ? - Page 2

If this guy is right then that would explain why nobody has ever heard of this thing.

Also, if it's classified as "AOW" then, presumably, it needs to be registered before it can be sold, right?
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yeah and you have to pay a tax stamp, and undergo a lengthy (there is no rational reason for that btw)background check
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah and you have to pay a tax stamp, and undergo a lengthy (there is no rational reason for that btw)background check
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Is the background check actually that lengthy, or just delayed due to capacity at ATF?
 
Rucker61 said:
Is the background check actually that lengthy, or just delayed due to capacity at ATF?
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Its due to ATF being slothful. The original argument for it was so back in the day, the local cops could try to find out if the person was not to be trusted (ie was he Italian, Irish, black etc since that was often used to DQ someone). There is no reason you should have to wait 11 months to buy a suppressor when you are cleared in 3 minutes to buy the rifle or pistol you want to attach it to: ITs a good reason why the unconstitutional 1934 NFA needs to be vaporized
 
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