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Gun Safety

TurtleDude said:
you familiar how the IDF was instructed to carry their BHPs back when that was the standard issue in Israel? I met a guy who was part of the same group that Yani Netanyahu was with and he showed me how they would draw while racking the slide. IDF reservists are often in close proximity to civilians in Israel and they worry about some jihadist grabbing a holstered pistol. So they carry with the chamber empty
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I had heard that. Very interesting reasoning.

Actually, the Army proscribed condition 3 for the 1911 even while holstered in the hip or shoulder holsters. I myself used an old personal Bianchi that raked the butt forward and had a thumb break strap between frame and hammer. So when I carried holstered, I carried cocked and locked.
 
VanceMack said:
BUT...if the gun malfunctions it also hits as hard as a frying pan! With a Hi Point you are NEVER 'unarmed'!

The next gen Hi Point 9 MM has had a MAJOR overhaul. It actually looks...dare I say it...not horribly ugly.
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Fortunately, I can afford stuff like CZ custom shop or SIG pistols, -I don't have to rely on junk like the HP

I do hear their 9mm Carbine actually works quite well and is reliable. On the other hand, PCC division in Steel and USPSA is expanding rapidly and I have yet to compete against someone using a high point.

I understand the need to have reliable firearms for people who cannot afford the stuff I can. But a used Bersa or a Taurus revolver can be had for cheap and they are pretty well made.
 
Hi Point 9mm is a hot mess.....its a pot metal brick attached to a lower receiver and a magazine.

If you want a $150 door stop, then get one, otherwise I would pay a pawn shop just to take it.
 
TurtleDude said:
you familiar how the IDF was instructed to carry their BHPs back when that was the standard issue in Israel? I met a guy who was part of the same group that Yani Netanyahu was with and he showed me how they would draw while racking the slide. IDF reservists are often in close proximity to civilians in Israel and they worry about some jihadist grabbing a holstered pistol. So they carry with the chamber empty
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Carrying with chamber empty and racking the slide while drawing is the safest method of carry. It's also fairly easy to learn. Yet most police units carry cocked and locked.
 
jimbo said:
Carrying with chamber empty and racking the slide while drawing is the safest method of carry. It's also fairly easy to learn. Yet most police units carry cocked and locked.
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I stay pretty current on the "wisdom" of various firearms defensive instructors. Most of them are against this way of carrying. It is an interesting discussion that I usually note involves each individual making an accurate assessment of his or her own abilities and training, and carry in accordance to that.
 
TurtleDude said:
Fortunately, I can afford stuff like CZ custom shop or SIG pistols, -I don't have to rely on junk like the HP

I do hear their 9mm Carbine actually works quite well and is reliable. On the other hand, PCC division in Steel and USPSA is expanding rapidly and I have yet to compete against someone using a high point.

I understand the need to have reliable firearms for people who cannot afford the stuff I can. But a used Bersa or a Taurus revolver can be had for cheap and they are pretty well made.
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I have 2 of their carbines...the 9mm and a 45. Fantastic guns. I wouldnt trust my life to a Hi Point handgun. All of my carry handguns are Glocks and Rugers. Full disclousre...I HAVE a HP 9mm handgun. Its probably 20 years old...Ive shot the hell ut of it...and it simply doesnt break. If it did..I could send it to HP and they would fix it for free or send me a new one. I wanted to hate it, but I cant. I get why someone that doesnt have a ton of cash would buy one.
 
Bum said:
Hi Point 9mm is a hot mess.....its a pot metal brick attached to a lower receiver and a magazine.

If you want a $150 door stop, then get one, otherwise I would pay a pawn shop just to take it.
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I bought one used for 60 bucks...complete with the faux rattle snake grips! ;-)
 
VanceMack said:
I have 2 of their carbines...the 9mm and a 45. Fantastic guns. I wouldnt trust my life to a Hi Point handgun. All of my carry handguns are Glocks and Rugers. Full disclousre...I HAVE a HP 9mm handgun. Its probably 20 years old...Ive shot the hell ut of it...and it simply doesnt break. If it did..I could send it to HP and they would fix it for free or send me a new one. I wanted to hate it, but I cant. I get why someone that doesnt have a ton of cash would buy one.
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And, really, mechanical failure of a new weapon is a lighting-strike chance. Pretending it, and not luxury, drives spending more is just making excuses for nice stuff.

"I gotta polish the ramp, my life could depend on it!"

I might say it (and a nice dovetail could be really really important too), but I don't believe it.
 
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It does seem that the hammer back on a 1911 or the like carried condition 1 cocked and locked can look a little disconcerting. But is it really any different than a striker fired auto carried with one in the chamber? Other than the visual effect?

I admit there is merit in the first shot DA type of handgun like my Witness or the CZ75's, Berettas and such.
 
ecofarm said:
And, really, mechanical failure of a new weapon is a lighting-strike chance. Pretending it, and not luxury, drives spending more is just making excuses for nice stuff.

"I gotta polish the ramp, my life could depend on it!"

I might say it (and a nice dovetail could be really really important too), but I don't believe it.
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Feeding difficulties aren't unknown with new weapons. I would run at minimum 50 rounds of whatever defensive ammo I intend to use through whatever piece I intend to carry. With that being said, when presented with a failure to feed I would always examine the magazine first before worrying about polishing feed ramps and such.
 
RF667799 said:
Feeding difficulties aren't unknown with new weapons. I would run at minimum 50 rounds of whatever defensive ammo I intend to use through whatever piece I intend to carry. With that being said, when presented with a failure to feed I would always examine the magazine first before worrying about polishing feed ramps and such.
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you're both right. I recommend 3 boxes of ball ammo and then a box of the expensive stuff like Federal hydra shocks or Remington Golden Sabers to break the gun in and make sure the gun feeds your defensive rounds (that often are less likely to feed than FMJ).

THe 70s series Colts were notorious for not feeding the hollow point ammo available 30 or so years go. That is why there were tons of gun smiths who did "reliability packages on Colts. BHPs were a mixed bag-I had some that would feed anything and others that wouldn't feed anything but FMJ. The first series of autos that fed the big open hollow point rounds was the Second Generation Smith DA autos-like the 659 or the 469. The third generation like the 4505-well I was at a training session and the instructors would load an empty shell in your magazine hoping to cause a jam. My Smith fed the empty shell 10/10 times rather than actually jamming. The 9mms that have been introduced about the same time the third generation smiths came out are all pretty good at feeding things. However, some current copies of the 1911 design are not
 
DebateChallenge said:
That might be as far as you're concerned but its not as far as most states are concerned and if you've got an issue you can take it to the courts in those states.
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State laws do not override federal laws. The federal law reads shall not be infringed.
 
DebateChallenge said:
That might be as far as you're concerned but its not as far as most states are concerned and if you've got an issue you can take it to the courts in those states.
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Well I live in an open carry state, no permit is required unless you conceal it.

You legally can carry a weapon everywhere as long as its not a posted area.
 
jimbo said:
State laws do not override federal laws. The federal law reads shall not be infringed.
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Stop by the nearest marijuana dispensary and bring it up...
 
GDViking said:
Stop by the nearest marijuana dispensary and bring it up...
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It was the expansion of the commerce clause that "gave"the federal government both gun control power and the power to claim that anyone with a medical weed card cannot legally own a gun
 
joko104 said:
I never carry CCW in a holster because I carry highly concealable "pocket" guns. Previously it was feather weight Ruger LCP .380. Drop it in your pocket and no one knows it's there. The ballistics of a .380 is not THAT inferior to an 9mm at very close range. With a holster you have to wear a jacket or shirt not-tucked in. Don't care to do that all the time to hide a pistol or revolver.

However, lately I've been carrying a very rare 1897 S&W top-break double action stub nose 5 shot 38 caliber black powder cartridge semi-wadcutter shorts. Stub nose makes it quite rare. It also isn't a firearm under Florida or federal law since it is 1897 and custom ordered bullets. Not a lot of firepower, but I like the feel of all-steel revolvers. The only safety is a crude grip safety and it has a concealed hammer so not to hang up pulling it out. It's a bit heavier and wider, but still unseen in a pocket in loose fitting pants. Strictly a very close range impluse-shooting defensive revolver.
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Very cool gun!!!
 
TurtleDude said:
It was the expansion of the commerce clause that "gave"the federal government both gun control power and the power to claim that anyone with a medical weed card cannot legally own a gun
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Well that absolutely needs to be reversed..
 
GDViking said:
Well that absolutely needs to be reversed..
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Get rid of that power to declare those with state medical weed cards prohibited persons under 18 USC 922=getting rid of federal gun control law
 
TurtleDude said:
Get rid of that power to declare those with state medical weed cards prohibited persons under 18 USC 922=getting rid of federal gun control law
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Sounds good to me..

Oops I did not see the other post went thru...
 
GDViking said:
Stop by the nearest marijuana dispensary and bring it up...
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That too. The reason Candidate Trump is now President Trump is the politicians currently in power cannot read and understand simple sentences. All 535 need to go and a new batch elected.
 
Rich2018 said:
And I thought sticking a pistol into your waistband was just for the movies...



Another argument against cocked and one in the chamber.
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An unloaded gun is useless.
 
VanceMack said:
There are too many safe holster options to not secure a firearm safely. I dont cheer the guys misfortune, but I dont have much sympathy for him either.

Guns RARELY 'accidentally discharge'. People def do stupid things.
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That's why I like double/single action semi-autos, with an external hammer placed on half-****, for a carry piece
 
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