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One reason men insist on owning a gun

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Some men have ego problems so they buy guns thinking the gun will project a more powerful masculinity.

How do we deal with this common problem that is a big contributor to the horrific gun problem in this country?
 
Some men have ego problems so they buy guns thinking the gun will project a more powerful masculinity.

How do we deal with this common problem that is a big contributor to the horrific gun problem in this country?

Speaking of "asinine" . . .
 
Some men have ego problems so they buy guns thinking the gun will project a more powerful masculinity.

How do we deal with this common problem that is a big contributor to the horrific gun problem in this country?

That is nonsense. Using a gun (or any other weapon) to commit a crime is already illegal.
 
This is fact, Jack.

How do we deal with these shallow men?

A "fact," eh?

Present your empirical evidence to establish it as "fact." You say it's "common." I assume you have the bona fide research to back it up.
 
Not this again...
 
Some men have ego problems so they buy guns thinking the gun will project a more powerful masculinity.

How do we deal with this common problem that is a big contributor to the horrific gun problem in this country?

Some men? Sure.

Some other men? Nah.
 
Some men have ego problems so they buy guns thinking the gun will project a more powerful masculinity.
How do you deal with your ego problems? Maybe those male gun owners could follow your example. ;)
 
That is nonsense. Using a gun (or any other weapon) to commit a crime is already illegal.

You discount accidents and the proliferation of guns all these "little men" cause.
 
How do you deal with your ego problems? Maybe those male gun owners could follow your example. ;)

They do not have the confidence to walk in my shoes. That is the problem.
 
A "fact," eh?

Present your empirical evidence to establish it as "fact." You say it's "common." I assume you have the bona fide research to back it up.

Not now, not ever.
 
Really? You need a citation for common knowledge?

LOL

It's as much common knowledge as the claim that men who are afraid of guns have no masculinity.
 
Some men have ego problems so they buy guns thinking the gun will project a more powerful masculinity.

How do we deal with this common problem that is a big contributor to the horrific gun problem in this country?

Flawed premise. Valid premises do not involve begging the question. Perhaps consider restructuring your argument, and trying again.


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Really? You need a citation for common knowledge?

LOL

You appear to have conflated your personal beliefs with "common knowledge".
 
You appear to have conflated your personal beliefs with "common knowledge".

I wonder if people like yourself really ignore common knowledge (willful ignorance) or just lie.

No way to know for sure, I guess.
 
I need a citation for you back up your claim.

I have a great reply for you but I am fearful that moderation might think it an insult. The truth is very cutting.
 
I wonder if people like yourself really ignore common knowledge (willful ignorance) or just lie.

No way to know for sure, I guess.

Well then, you should have no problem providing a link to support that statement.
 
Some men have ego problems so they buy guns thinking the gun will project a more powerful masculinity.

How do we deal with this common problem that is a big contributor to the horrific gun problem in this country?

You seem to feel from your own existence that powerful materials create manliness. Instead of a gun, you might drive a fast car. Or maybe you are a fitness freak or a runner. Or maybe a computer gamer. Or maybe every woodworking tool Home Depot sells. Or maybe a person who needs these things to feel competitive in the dating world.

All of these things feed some egos, but not all.

Citizens and guns are more complicated than that. It is a rare right granted by our FF's to guarantee the right of self defense.

There is recreational shooting, as well as the ability for self defense. There also the "gym" attitude of having buddies with common interests of shooting, reloading, and in some cases carrying for self defense, as well as the common interest of having an item many people feel you are not socially aware enough, decent enough, politically correct enough, or connected enough to own.

So in short, you want to control innocent people in society because, well just because you don't like guns, and you probably don't like the people who own them. Well, I bet you and I wouldn't get along very well either, but you know what? I'm fine with letting you live your honest life without my interference. Maybe you should return the favor. Civility needs more of that.
 
That is nonsense. Using a gun (or any other weapon) to commit a crime is already illegal.
That is nonsense. "using a weapon to commit a crime" is not the only factor in the high gun violence statistics in the U.S. It's likely not even a primary factor. We have so many contributing factors to gun violence in the U.S., but the primary ones that gun control advocates focus on is the incredible easy with which a person can obtain firearms, likely leading to the incredibly high guns per capita stats, which in turn no doubt directly contributes to our incredibly high gun violence rates (for a non-developing nation).

I think you would be more correct if you said that this "thinking guns are masculine" was a "big contributor" is nonsense, because it does seem poorly supported. I liked guns since probably age 5, and I while I may have been mimicking what I saw, that incredible predisposition to wanting to play with guns was not random, and I don't think it was related to machismo at age 5. A friend gun enthusiast whose joy with guns always gets me to buy more than I need, often remarks that his parents tell the story that toy weapons were forbidden growing up, but that he'd find a stick outside at age 4, shaped like a gun, and run around shooting with that. It could *still* be mimicry, but wow...I mean, there is some predisposition there, and I think that goes way beyond "feeling masculine".

But I agree that focusing on either of those (masculinity of firearms or genetic predisposition), isn't really going to lead to much in terms of gun policy/politics, its maybe interesting academically only at this stage (later it may be used to help shape culture).
It's hard to argue the U.S. doesn't need a strong military, and that means guns and accepting people trained to kill humans in our society...and in some places in Europe we know they don't have the same outlook on the military as us, in some cases BECAUSE we have a strong military outlook.

It's a complex issue. If the NRA wasn't simply opposed to any/all gun control, we could have that discussion..how do we balance 2nd amendment, our need to have a strong military and frankly military accepting culture (bashing our military in Vietnam seemed the *wrong* way to go)? I think most well-meaning legal gun owners could jump through a lot of hurdles to own a firearm, and IMO they should accept that, in exchange for the safety it will bring to society, and they should negotiate for some other fringe benefits as a result of giving up the stupid-ease at which they can currently get guns, and the incredible number/range of weapons available to them...like a tax deduction or something...for helping us, we have to help them back.

They would argue it won't reduce gun crime (because that's the ultimate response to everything), and we'd go round and round. That got longer than anticipated.
 
You seem to feel from your own existence that powerful materials create manliness. Instead of a gun, you might drive a fast car. Or maybe you are a fitness freak or a runner. Or maybe a computer gamer. Or maybe every woodworking tool Home Depot sells. Or maybe a person who needs these things to feel competitive in the dating world.

All of these things feed some egos, but not all.

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agree

There are a handful of very well adjusted gun owners who are responsible and very pro gun restrictions.

The problem with your argument is that your gun does not leave me alone to live as I want. It slaughters my children and friends.
 
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