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One reason men insist on owning a gun

goldkam said:
I will make the following clear, to highlight the inaccuracy of your statement:

1- Since 1982, 74 Percent Of Mass Shooters Obtained Their Guns Legally. Why did you state he is the exception, when nearly 3/4 of mass shooters gained their guns legally??

2- Additionally research has suggested that 95% of those who commit suicide with a firearm obtained it legally. Once again no exceptions, simply the facts.
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100% of the 13,000 people who hanged or strangled themselves in 2017 acquired their means legally.
 
Praxas said:
Be honest your a gun hater.
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I own 3 and never had much feeling about them one way or another.

Then Parkland just changed everything for me. Something in me just said, "this is seriously out of control."
 
goldkam said:
There are number of valid reasons:

1- The costs of owning a firearm for self defence far outweigh the benefits. For every 1 justified homicide there are 36 unjustified homicides. That is for every 1 good use for a firearm there are 36 bad uses.
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Wow, the only good use of a firearm is to kill a bad guy?

Now in the case of the "good use" the individual can exercise other means to "self defend" such as removing themselves from the situation by seeking a safe area such as ones house where you can lock the doors, call law enforcement etc. just like every other normal country. Its common sense.

2- The USA is an abnormality when it comes to this protection under the Second Amendment. One of only three countries to have the right to bear arms within a Constitution. It just so happens to also have the highest number of firearms per person (120 firearms to 100 people) and have the highest firearm death rate of any Western Nation.

3- Harvard University have conducted extensive studies on the issue of self defence and have concluded the following:

a)Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal
b)Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense
c)Guns in the home are used more often to intimidate intimates than to thwart crime
d)Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense
e)Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens
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The survey that this Harvard study refers to did not differentiate between respondents who owned their guns legally or those who were in criminal possession. Do you consider that an issue?

Once again this supports, as do many other reputable sources, why self-defence is in fact ethically and factually not a justifiable purpose to own a firearm. The costs far outweigh the benefits.
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Well, if the data was actually unbiased, sure. None of the studies differentiate between lawful ownership and criminal ownership. That's going to bias the results towards crime.
 
goldkam said:
1- Since 1982, 74 Percent Of Mass Shooters Obtained Their Guns Legally. Why did you state he is the exception, when nearly 3/4 of mass shooters gained their guns legally??
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Source?

goldkam said:
2- Additionally research has suggested that 95% of those who commit suicide with a firearm obtained it legally. Once again no exceptions, simply the facts.
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Are you suicidal? If you're not then you have nothing to fear from dying from suicide by gun or by any other means.

goldkam said:
To extend on these notions. No matter how the gun was obtained 40,000 people still died. Potential criminals who are denied the right to own a firearm legally can get one off a friend or family member, go to a private gun show or utilise the black market. The infestation of firearms is fostering loop holes the size of trucks and decades on nothing has been done. Gun deaths are still rising.
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Then we need to crack down on the black market, we need to enforce the laws we've got, not make more.

goldkam said:
The fact is the costs of owning firearms far outweighs the benefits. The fact is 40,000 people die every year due to firearms and the same excuse is "don't take my guns".
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Most of which are suicides. If you're not suicidal than you shouldn't be afraid of that as you're not going to buy a gun and shoot yourself.

goldkam said:
The fact is 80,000+ are injured every year by firearms and the same isexcuse is "don't take my guns".
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Proper safe gun handling should be emphasized. Handling a gun safely is not hard once you get into the habit.

goldkam said:
The fact is other countries took control, manned up and exercised gun control and success has been had. Its abnormal in Australia to have a mass shooting with only 1 since 1996 yet it is now considered normal to have a mass shooting in the USA.
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Those other countries never had anywhere near the number of guns that the USA has.
Also, those other countries still do have mass killings maybe not so much with guns but with other means.
 
goldkam said:
Would you happily have funding come out of hospitals, schools and pay more taxes to fund more prisons and more inmates??
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Yes. They are dangerous people and cannot be out in society.
 
Praxas said:
you made the comment and claim that most men buy guns due to egos. It is up to you to prove or defend that claim. Now, what are you having a problem understanding?
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He just keeps dodging it. He's also dodging the fact that lots of women buy, own, and use guns.
 
Rucker61 said:
100% of the 13,000 people who hanged or strangled themselves in 2017 acquired their means legally.
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And as I said before, suicide by gun should not cause fear in a person who is non suicidal.
 
noonereal said:
Wrong, I did not "get lucky."

As you told you previous, if I want to victimize you, all your gun can do is make a bad situation worse.
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For you.
 
noonereal said:
You misquoted me, be honest not a TRump and just admit it.


Like I tell my grandson when he appears to want to fib..


Don't be a Donald!
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Please show the empirical evidence that proves that some men.. buy guns to project a more powerful image.

And then.. show the empirical evidence that this is a common problem
 
jaeger19 said:
Please show the empirical evidence that proves that some men.. buy guns to project a more powerful image.

And then.. show the empirical evidence that this is a common problem
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You are serious?

You honestly are not aware that things like guns and hot cars are extensions of ones masculinity to many?

Dude, go to Google. This is psychology 101.
 
goldkam said:
I will make the following clear, to highlight the inaccuracy of your statement:

1- Since 1982, 74 Percent Of Mass Shooters Obtained Their Guns Legally. Why did you state he is the exception, when nearly 3/4 of mass shooters gained their guns legally??

2- Additionally research has suggested that 95% of those who commit suicide with a firearm obtained it legally. Once again no exceptions, simply the facts.

To extend on these notions. No matter how the gun was obtained 40,000 people still died. Potential criminals who are denied the right to own a firearm legally can get one off a friend or family member, go to a private gun show or utilise the black market. The infestation of firearms is fostering loop holes the size of trucks and decades on nothing has been done. Gun deaths are still rising.




The fact is the costs of owning firearms far outweighs the benefits. The fact is 40,000 people die every year due to firearms and the same excuse is "don't take my guns". The fact is 80,000+ are injured every year by firearms and the same isexcuse is "don't take my guns". The fact is other countries took control, manned up and exercised gun control and success has been had. Its abnormal in Australia to have a mass shooting with only 1 since 1996 yet it is now considered normal to have a mass shooting in the USA.
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:lamo

Your post is so full of fail.

You cite Australia and the 1 mass shooting SINCE the passage of the gun ban there. I dont think you have done any research on the actual FACTS. The Port Arthur Massacre occurred in April of 1996. In the 22 years SINCE the passage of the gun ban there have been 24 mass killings in Australia. In the 22 years PRIOR there were 17.

You talk about gun ownership and suicides, yet you ignore the FACT that suicide rates in Australia nearly mirror the figures in the US...and firearms are infrequently used in Australia.

The only shock stat you have left is the murder rates perpetrated by a majority of minority shooters targeting minorities...and you nor any other anti gun zealot has ever taken the first step to target the problem of violence in minority communities in this country.
 
noonereal said:
You are serious?

You honestly are not aware that things like guns and hot cars are extensions of ones masculinity to many?

Dude, go to Google. This is psychology 101.
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Its far more likely that people that obsess about such things do a pretty good job of exposing their lack of masculinity.
 
noonereal said:
lol, you still can't shut up about it

you outed yourself

i love when that happens... lol
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Really? Beyond pointing out the stupidity of your thread and the stupidity of your comments about guns and masculinity...please feel free to show where that is the case.
 
VanceMack said:
Really? Beyond pointing out the stupidity of your thread and the stupidity of your comments about guns and masculinity...please feel free to show where that is the case.
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keep going... lol

You are awesome entertainment!
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't think rational arguments have any viability with the way he feels
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This from someone who fears math and thinks keeping an arsenal of lethal weaponry in the home near his nearest and dearest (whatever could go wrong?) is a good thing :roll:
 
jaeger19 said:
Please show the empirical evidence that proves that some men.. buy guns to project a more powerful image.

And then.. show the empirical evidence that this is a common problem
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Empirical evidence of obsession and tallywhacker compensation issues ? Just how is he supposed to do that ! :lamo
 
flogger said:
This from someone who fears math and thinks keeping an arsenal of lethal weaponry in the home near his nearest and dearest (whatever could go wrong?) is a good thing :roll:
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Fears math? That is as stupid as your silly claims about why Americans own guns. My wife has had over 100 hours of formal training concerning the defensive use of firearms and a red belt in TKD. My 21 year old son just completed CCW required training-by the time he was 15, he was national class Olympic Trap shooter, a steel master class shooter and a black belt. He completed 16 hours of house clearing and defensive shooting tactics training at the top facility in Ohio-one that is Ohio Peace officer Training Academy certified. Both of them are far more qualified to use firearms than you are. And, unlike you, they aren't afraid of them
 
flogger said:
Empirical evidence of obsession and tallywhacker compensation issues ? Just how is he supposed to do that ! :lamo
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Why are gun banners so fixated on men's penises?
 
flogger said:
This from someone who fears math and thinks keeping an arsenal of lethal weaponry in the home near his nearest and dearest (whatever could go wrong?) is a good thing :roll:
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Crazyland USA.
 
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