[W:107] Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency

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Logician Man said:

'Feigned Indignation' for murdered innocents. WTF is wrong with you ?

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Do you feel equally bad for those who die in other ways? Is there something that you think can happen to reduce homicides committed by those who have no previous record and have passed every requirement to legally own a gun?

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Logician Man said:

Go tell that to the husbands,wives,sons,daughters,fathers, mothers,friends, grandmothers,and grandfathers their murdered loved ones is 'insignificant.'

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This shows how stupid and dishonest your argument is. You are trying to use emotion to overcome an objectively correct point-in a nation of over 300 million people, 2500 murders caused by those in a group of over 100 million is not statistically significant. Try coming up with something that is actually honest and cogent.

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zsu2357 said:

Came across this. And found it interesting. Democrats Hate ICE So Much, They're Protecting Illegals Caught Trying To Buy Guns It really says a lot.

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Democrats are all about harassing honest gun owners-even to the point of helping criminals to advance their agenda

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^^^^ This from the guy who summarily dismisses 2500 murders per year by 'honest' and 'responsible' gun owners....smh

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Logician Man said:

^^^^ This from the guy who summarily dismisses 2500 murders per year by 'honest' and 'responsible' gun owners....smh

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He didn't dismiss them. You inferred that.

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Rucker61 said:

He didn't dismiss them. You inferred that.

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His argument is dishonest and he is unable to understand that in a nation of over 300 million people-it is objectively correct to note that something that causes 2500 deaths is statically insignificant-especially when the causes of those deaths are 2000+ individual actors-not one event

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Moderator's Warning:

Let's keep things about the argument and not people. Mmmkaaayyy?

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justabubba said:

just wait and see how that plays out if tRump initiates this 'national emergency' charade to bypass congress' Constitutional powers

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Sounds like you are implying that the National Emergencies Act of 1976 (which the President is using as authority for his actions) unconstitutionally cedes too much power to the Presidency. I agree. A SCOTUS mindful of the Constitution should never have allowed that act to stand, but instead they opted to allow Congress to delegate vague powers to the Executive, even those that don't meet the restrictions written into the Constitution (e.g. funding decisions).

Of course, Congress could easily remedy that problem, by rescinding that act, and/or replacing it with a Constitutionally compliant bill. They won't. Few congresspeople have any complaints, except when "the guy from the other party" is invoking the law.

I have no dog in the current "national emergency" fight. However, this would be a great opportunity for SCOTUS to strike down the entire law, and I would gladly support that decision.

They won't......

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VanceMack said:

Its not a lie...its fact...backed by the video of the sniveling ****s abandoning their previous position in the name of politics.

Color me...not shocked.

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Nope.. sorry sir but not fact.

Fact: democrats have voted for more border security during the trump administration.

So explain how that's "abandoning national security".

Voting for more border security...is according to you "abandoning" said security?

Please explain in detail your position.
Go.

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zsu2357 said:

The federal govt. has been very busy taking over haven't they? When it comes down to it the feds. can't force the states to do sh*t. It's the states that should be telling them,or how it was meant to be anyway. The federal govt. just kinda helped themselves passing all kinds of laws and making promises to the states that aided them. If I hired someone to do a job and they pulled that,they would be fired so fast they wouldn't believe it.

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Here is the irony.. yep.. the federal government has been very busy taking over.. and who has been pushing it? REPUBLICANS AND THE RIGHT WING!.

that's the irony..

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Logician Man said:

Go tell that to the husbands,wives,sons,daughters,fathers, mothers,friends, grandmothers,and grandfathers their murdered loved ones is 'insignificant.'

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Yep.. the old appeal to emotion.

Works so well. We have a president that's doing an end run around the constitution because of the emotion of "the illegals are killing people here"...

So.. point out the fact that illegal immigrants are LESS likely to commit violence than the rest of the general population... and what "well tell that to the family of the college student murdered by an illegal".

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jaeger19 said:

Yep.. the old appeal to emotion.

Works so well. We have a president that's doing an end run around the constitution because of the emotion of "the illegals are killing people here"...

So.. point out the fact that illegal immigrants are LESS likely to commit violence than the rest of the general population... and what "well tell that to the family of the college student murdered by an illegal".

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It is not surprising that he has to resort to emotion because the actual facts and crime control are not what motivates his-or most-of the anti gun posts. Their positions are not the product of years of studying gun violence, gun laws, and the criminal misuse of guns. Rather, it is a reaction to political agendas and the fact is-once the democrats adopted gun control to pretend that the party was trying to do something about violent street crime-gun owners started mobilizing to vote against the left. Now gun control is a tool the left uses to punish a group perceived as strongly supporting the GOP

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TurtleDude said:

It is not surprising that he has to resort to emotion because the actual facts and crime control are not what motivates his-or most-of the anti gun posts. Their positions are not the product of years of studying gun violence, gun laws, and the criminal misuse of guns. Rather, it is a reaction to political agendas and the fact is-once the democrats adopted gun control to pretend that the party was trying to do something about violent street crime-gun owners started mobilizing to vote against the left. Now gun control is a tool the left uses to punish a group perceived as strongly supporting the GOP

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Actually.. if they spent time studying the history of gun control in the US.. they would find that a lot of gun control has its roots in racism. Its not a coincidence that many of the areas that have the highest level of gun control.. also happen to be minority areas.

The idea of minorities..especially black people having access to firearms.. scared a lot of white people. Not to mention anti carry laws.. suddenly gave the police the right to "stop and frisk".. trying to find now illegal weapons...

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Captain Adverse said:

Shrewd? :no:

Just try it!

Aside from my service in the Army and a short stint in law enforcement I have never possessed a gun. I have handled and shot other's weapons, but never felt the need to own any myself.

There is no "gun epidemic" in this country. The actions of a few criminals and terrorists do not undermine the vast (millions strong) population of gun owners who do no wrong.

Should any President declare private gun ownership to be a "national emergency," THAT would be the moment I begin to arm myself...and I certainly would not do it in a way to alert authorities that I had such possession. :coffeepap:

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Which is EXACTLY what anyone with aspirations to dictator wants you to do. THEN they WILL have the national emergency and - whoosh, there goes your constitution.

You give the Executive this power over funding, there is no limit to what anyone determined can do, and the guns will go first.

BTW, there IS an epidemic of guns in your country. You people have more guns per capita than any industrialized country. Incidently more murders as well.